Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
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@cstross People who are anti-vaccination for whatever fruitloops reason need to spend some quality time in old churchyards looking at monuments to dead children put up by bereft parents.
@Infoseepage @cstross the "we are seven" grave in Conwy churchyard left a big impression on me as a child. Wordsworth wrote a poem about it - more here: https://historypoints.org/index.php?page=we-are-seven-grave-conwy
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@Infoseepage
Literally, just go to ancestry.com and map out your own family a couple generations back and find all the great uncles and aunties you don’t have because THEY ALL DIED OF CHILDHOOD DISEASES THAT THE US ADMINISTRATION IS INSANELY SUGGESTING WE DROP, LIKE A BUNCH OF GODDAMNED HOMICIDAL MANIACS #CantMakeThisShitUp #SureGoAheadKillMeAndMyEntireFamilyWhyDontYou #ActuallyNoYouCanGoFuckOffAndDieYourselves@suzannealdrich @Infoseepage @cstross I was coming here to say exactly that. Just five generations ago, in Germany, my ancestors lost six of eight children before the age of three. Two survived to adulthood.
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RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
@cstross Reminder that in industrialized countries, for some diseases, mortality had already dropped before vaccines were even a thing.
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RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
@cstross better access to nutrition, housing, sanitation maternity care and drinking water also occurred at these times.
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Playing Russian Roulette with a six shooter would give them slightly better odds than they want to give children. Load another couple of chambers with blanks (won't kill, will burst an eardrump) and you might be getting close.
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RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
At which point any country with sensible leaders will require vaccinations with visas for anyone from the USA.
I think my sister still has her copy of a lengthy document proving she didn't have a long list of conditions/infections before we briefly entered the USA in the early 1950s.
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RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
@cstross All countries should ban American entrants unless they have up to date vaccination certificates.
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@cstross
But I remember her, in my child's eye, as a thin, frail little puppet, jerked by invisible strings. And she was hauntingly graceful and beautiful to me.But at the age of 18, one night at bedtime, she removed the brace, lay down, and killed herself. She did it in total silence, so her parents wouldn't stop her.
Anyone who tells you not to get vaccines is a murderer by proxy.
@Remittancegirl @cstross That was the most touching thing I read today. Thank you. Have to make an effort not to start crying publicly on a train.
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@cstross All countries should ban American entrants unless they have up to date vaccination certificates.
@Pamela1960 @cstross absolutely. Have to be able to prove they're not a danger to public health
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@suzannealdrich @Infoseepage @cstross I was coming here to say exactly that. Just five generations ago, in Germany, my ancestors lost six of eight children before the age of three. Two survived to adulthood.
@morgan @suzannealdrich @cstross And this sort of thing cut across all divisions of class and wealth. I was at Versailles last week and they had an exhibition about the Grand Dauphin and his family. The Grand Dauphin was the heir apparent to Louis XIV for most of his life, but his father outlived him. He died of smallpox at about the age of 50. A bunch of the dauphin's children and their wives and grandchildren were wiped out by "just measles" and other maladies.
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@Remittancegirl @cstross That was the most touching thing I read today. Thank you. Have to make an effort not to start crying publicly on a train.
Good god, I certainly didn't mean to make anyone cry. I apologise.
And yet, at the same time, I wanted to pay tribute to her memory, because she was a lovely person and a very talented poet.
And it's complicated. Would she have been such a good poet without the experience of social isolation and physical extremes? Was she someone who was always destined to relinquish life? I think about her a lot.
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@morgan @suzannealdrich @cstross And this sort of thing cut across all divisions of class and wealth. I was at Versailles last week and they had an exhibition about the Grand Dauphin and his family. The Grand Dauphin was the heir apparent to Louis XIV for most of his life, but his father outlived him. He died of smallpox at about the age of 50. A bunch of the dauphin's children and their wives and grandchildren were wiped out by "just measles" and other maladies.
@Infoseepage @suzannealdrich @cstross bringing this back to it's origin; the gall of rfkjr and his enablers thinking they can rely on privilege, wealth and influence to survive the hell they're bringing down
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@morgan @suzannealdrich @cstross And this sort of thing cut across all divisions of class and wealth. I was at Versailles last week and they had an exhibition about the Grand Dauphin and his family. The Grand Dauphin was the heir apparent to Louis XIV for most of his life, but his father outlived him. He died of smallpox at about the age of 50. A bunch of the dauphin's children and their wives and grandchildren were wiped out by "just measles" and other maladies.
@morgan @suzannealdrich @cstross These people lived in gold encrusted marble palaces, wore the finest clothing, never lacked for a warm fire and ate the best foods and had the best doctors of their era. It didn't save any of them. What would have saved them are a series of inexpensive, widely available childhood immunizations with extremely high safety profiles.
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@cstross
But I remember her, in my child's eye, as a thin, frail little puppet, jerked by invisible strings. And she was hauntingly graceful and beautiful to me.But at the age of 18, one night at bedtime, she removed the brace, lay down, and killed herself. She did it in total silence, so her parents wouldn't stop her.
Anyone who tells you not to get vaccines is a murderer by proxy.
@Remittancegirl @cstross we all cried.
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RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
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@cstross Reminder that in industrialized countries, for some diseases, mortality had already dropped before vaccines were even a thing.
@jpages Massive public education campaigns and immediate isolation of outbreak patients put the brakes on. As did better living conditions (it's hard to isolate in a slum with eight people sleeping to a room; also hard to isolate when there are ten kids in a family).
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@Remittancegirl @cstross we all cried.
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@cstross No, put them where they want to be. Greenland.
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@Remittancegirl @cstross not at all. It is an incredible, personal story, and was the best kind of cry in honoring it. It convinces us on even more personal and emotional terms that RFKjr is wrong and the damage is going to kill people. Our stories are important! And I thank you for telling this one.
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@Remittancegirl @cstross not at all. It is an incredible, personal story, and was the best kind of cry in honoring it. It convinces us on even more personal and emotional terms that RFKjr is wrong and the damage is going to kill people. Our stories are important! And I thank you for telling this one.
