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Nothing has scared me more in the past decade than the center-left's response to ICE.

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    Nothing has scared me more in the past decade than the center-left's response to ICE. I've never seriously considered an exit plan more than this last year.

    To argue that we should advocate for more training in response to what is clearly an ethnic cleansing, is personally terrifying.

    To call these people Nazis in the same breath as advocating for reform, necessarily means that dehumanization efforts have, at some level, worked on liberals.

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      Nothing has scared me more in the past decade than the center-left's response to ICE. I've never seriously considered an exit plan more than this last year.

      To argue that we should advocate for more training in response to what is clearly an ethnic cleansing, is personally terrifying.

      To call these people Nazis in the same breath as advocating for reform, necessarily means that dehumanization efforts have, at some level, worked on liberals.

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      @fromjason

      The Democratic Party has always been a center party at best, with some leftist inside.

      I guess they have been so many years trying not being cornered as leftist extremists by republicans, they are unable to even think about saying anything too strong. Diversity of strategic thinking must have a role too.

      So they complain about dust when people are covered in shit.

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      • fromjason.xyz ❀️ πŸ’»F fromjason.xyz ❀️ πŸ’»

        Nothing has scared me more in the past decade than the center-left's response to ICE. I've never seriously considered an exit plan more than this last year.

        To argue that we should advocate for more training in response to what is clearly an ethnic cleansing, is personally terrifying.

        To call these people Nazis in the same breath as advocating for reform, necessarily means that dehumanization efforts have, at some level, worked on liberals.

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        And to be fair, I don't know what level of Latino-specific solidarity would stop the anxiety dreams, and just overall lingering fear I have.

        In the early morning I found myself in the maps app, zooming in and out of Mexican cities. I daydream about crossing the border into Canada from Glacier National Park. I calculate how many hours it would take me to drive there from here.

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          And to be fair, I don't know what level of Latino-specific solidarity would stop the anxiety dreams, and just overall lingering fear I have.

          In the early morning I found myself in the maps app, zooming in and out of Mexican cities. I daydream about crossing the border into Canada from Glacier National Park. I calculate how many hours it would take me to drive there from here.

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          When I was in Savannah a couple of weeks ago, there was a weird energy.

          People making eye contact with me more than I ever remembered. I generally do not like people perceiving me in public (lol), so I notice when they do.

          They weren't bad looks. Just blank stares. Maybe I was looking particularly cute that day. Maybe I look like the people they see on the nightly news, in a town that perhaps doesn't have many that look like me. But I don't remember those looks in my past visits.

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            When I was in Savannah a couple of weeks ago, there was a weird energy.

            People making eye contact with me more than I ever remembered. I generally do not like people perceiving me in public (lol), so I notice when they do.

            They weren't bad looks. Just blank stares. Maybe I was looking particularly cute that day. Maybe I look like the people they see on the nightly news, in a town that perhaps doesn't have many that look like me. But I don't remember those looks in my past visits.

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            But more than anything, I think of an entire generation of kids traumatized by the fear of being kidnapped in the streets. Or their parents disappearing in the night.

            And that trauma will turn into anger; that anger into societal exile. Which means more fuel for the underlying beliefs that Latinos are inherently criminal. Another decade of mass incarceration.

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              But more than anything, I think of an entire generation of kids traumatized by the fear of being kidnapped in the streets. Or their parents disappearing in the night.

              And that trauma will turn into anger; that anger into societal exile. Which means more fuel for the underlying beliefs that Latinos are inherently criminal. Another decade of mass incarceration.

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              I dread the day that Pete Buttigieg, or whichever slick-talking centrist they place on the ballot, runs for office. And I'll be told to be a good liberal and vote for them. And, I will. If it slows down the march towards fascism.

              A new crime wave, another budget increase born of manufactured consent. The domestic military industrial complex carries on in the peripheral of American news media. Plausible deniability is restored.

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              • fromjason.xyz ❀️ πŸ’»F fromjason.xyz ❀️ πŸ’»

                Nothing has scared me more in the past decade than the center-left's response to ICE. I've never seriously considered an exit plan more than this last year.

                To argue that we should advocate for more training in response to what is clearly an ethnic cleansing, is personally terrifying.

                To call these people Nazis in the same breath as advocating for reform, necessarily means that dehumanization efforts have, at some level, worked on liberals.

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                @fromjason well put. I share your horror.

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                  Nothing has scared me more in the past decade than the center-left's response to ICE. I've never seriously considered an exit plan more than this last year.

                  To argue that we should advocate for more training in response to what is clearly an ethnic cleansing, is personally terrifying.

                  To call these people Nazis in the same breath as advocating for reform, necessarily means that dehumanization efforts have, at some level, worked on liberals.

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                  @fromjason I married into a Mexican American family here in Texas. My wife obviously is pretty far left as am I. I guess it's not obvious because you don't know her. But she is. Her entire family are right wing Trumpers. In this case we chalk it up to proximity to whiteness.

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                  • Iris Young (he/they/she) (PhD)I Iris Young (he/they/she) (PhD)

                    @fromjason well put. I share your horror.

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                    @iris ❀️

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                    • fromjason.xyz ❀️ πŸ’»F fromjason.xyz ❀️ πŸ’»

                      Nothing has scared me more in the past decade than the center-left's response to ICE. I've never seriously considered an exit plan more than this last year.

                      To argue that we should advocate for more training in response to what is clearly an ethnic cleansing, is personally terrifying.

                      To call these people Nazis in the same breath as advocating for reform, necessarily means that dehumanization efforts have, at some level, worked on liberals.

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                      @fromjason conservatism always leads to fascism, as it is power that's being conserved. Liberalism compromises with conservatism. So when the Overton window moves & conservatism becomes synonymous with fascism, liberalism is compromising with fascism.

                      & since the Overton window moving right *is* the compromise, one could argue it's been like this the whole time. Compromises like this enable fascism every time, because it's human values being compromised.

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                      • fromjason.xyz ❀️ πŸ’»F fromjason.xyz ❀️ πŸ’»

                        Nothing has scared me more in the past decade than the center-left's response to ICE. I've never seriously considered an exit plan more than this last year.

                        To argue that we should advocate for more training in response to what is clearly an ethnic cleansing, is personally terrifying.

                        To call these people Nazis in the same breath as advocating for reform, necessarily means that dehumanization efforts have, at some level, worked on liberals.

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                        @fromjason

                        Training. Training. The ICE problem is not a 'lack of training'. It's a top-down mandate to make the lives of everyone they don't like hell, no matter who they are, no matter what they've done. It's an organization founded on the bones of the KKK. It's a decision by the officers to not be human, to throw away what empathy and morals they may have possessed in pursuit of a $50,000 bonus.

                        'Hey, let's give the brownshirts more training' is not a statement which would slip out of the mouth of anyone with a functioning brain.

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                        • fromjason.xyz ❀️ πŸ’»F fromjason.xyz ❀️ πŸ’»

                          When I was in Savannah a couple of weeks ago, there was a weird energy.

                          People making eye contact with me more than I ever remembered. I generally do not like people perceiving me in public (lol), so I notice when they do.

                          They weren't bad looks. Just blank stares. Maybe I was looking particularly cute that day. Maybe I look like the people they see on the nightly news, in a town that perhaps doesn't have many that look like me. But I don't remember those looks in my past visits.

                          Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @fromjason
                          I know this sounds weird, but speaking as a privileged white person? That's actually a good sign.

                          It's an altogether too common coping mechanism to literally avert our eyes from things we know are wrong, yet we don't think we can do anything about... even if those "things we know are wrong" are people we know society is failing to support.

                          For people to be giving you blank stares, the need to face what's happening, and the desire to do *something*, must outweigh that mechanism.

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