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  • mekka okereke :verified:M mekka okereke :verified:

    I've said on here before, that I love the transformative power bikes have on how people think about interacting with each otherπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈβ™₯️

    Having a bike stolen resets a white US person's understanding of what cops do and do not do.

    Commuting on a bike resets a white US person's understanding of racist infrastructure.

    I love bikes, especially cargo bikes and attachments for kids, because it's only about a 5 year learning journey for white folk from

    πŸ‘©πŸΌ"I'm not political."

    To

    πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈ"Hey Mekka! I bought a cargo bike! It's so much fun!"

    To

    πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸ₯Š"🀬Man, Robert Moses was a %!#!#&@)+ for real! $#&* him and his momma!"

    Poligofsky πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦8 This user is from outside of this forum
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    @mekkaokereke Choosing a bicycle (when one has other options) takes the strength (love, hope, courage) to relinquish a form of power, and the cult of the individual, as embodied by the automobile. People are not good at giving things up!

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    • George BG George B

      @mekkaokereke @patterfloof @chloeraccoon

      There was a recent study here that had some interesting results about behavior at intersections, at congested crossings the "yielded to pedestrians" rates were about the same for "no bike lane" and "protected bike lane" but were lower for "painted bike lane", same when comparing "went through red light at speed" vs "paused to look and then continued through the red".

      Unprotected lanes seem like they may be worse than nothing.

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      A new study from sociology researchers at Hunter College embraces e-bikes.

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      @gbargoud @mekkaokereke @patterfloof @chloeraccoon

      Yes, Recent and old research:

      In an urban context, almost all accidents occur at intersections and almost all of those happen because car drivers don't look for/see bicycles. Protected lanes make bicycles less visible by forcing bikes to enter intersections where car drivers don't look. There are well designed intersections, but they aren't common.

      See John Forester's (old) Bicycle Transportation.

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      • Douglas MeadowfoamE Douglas Meadowfoam

        @gbargoud @mekkaokereke @patterfloof @chloeraccoon

        Yes, Recent and old research:

        In an urban context, almost all accidents occur at intersections and almost all of those happen because car drivers don't look for/see bicycles. Protected lanes make bicycles less visible by forcing bikes to enter intersections where car drivers don't look. There are well designed intersections, but they aren't common.

        See John Forester's (old) Bicycle Transportation.

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        @mekkaokereke @patterfloof @chloeraccoon @eric

        Oh no let's not bring John Forrester into this. Many people have written much more eloquently than I can about why his ideas about cycling infrastructure were dangerous.

        I have no complaints about protected bike lanes, they're great.

        Painted ones on the other hand are often just a false sense of security (except in cases where there are enough cyclists around that get funneled to that street instead of others to get safety in numbers)

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        • mekka okereke :verified:M mekka okereke :verified:

          I've said on here before, that I love the transformative power bikes have on how people think about interacting with each otherπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈβ™₯️

          Having a bike stolen resets a white US person's understanding of what cops do and do not do.

          Commuting on a bike resets a white US person's understanding of racist infrastructure.

          I love bikes, especially cargo bikes and attachments for kids, because it's only about a 5 year learning journey for white folk from

          πŸ‘©πŸΌ"I'm not political."

          To

          πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈ"Hey Mekka! I bought a cargo bike! It's so much fun!"

          To

          πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸ₯Š"🀬Man, Robert Moses was a %!#!#&@)+ for real! $#&* him and his momma!"

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          Elisabeth M
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          #12

          @mekkaokereke amazing how being on the receiving end of some kind of injustice makes you realize how important justice is.

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          • mekka okereke :verified:M mekka okereke :verified:

            I've said on here before, that I love the transformative power bikes have on how people think about interacting with each otherπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈβ™₯️

            Having a bike stolen resets a white US person's understanding of what cops do and do not do.

            Commuting on a bike resets a white US person's understanding of racist infrastructure.

            I love bikes, especially cargo bikes and attachments for kids, because it's only about a 5 year learning journey for white folk from

            πŸ‘©πŸΌ"I'm not political."

            To

            πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈ"Hey Mekka! I bought a cargo bike! It's so much fun!"

            To

            πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸ₯Š"🀬Man, Robert Moses was a %!#!#&@)+ for real! $#&* him and his momma!"

            CelloMom On CarsC This user is from outside of this forum
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            @mekkaokereke

            I actually heard CelloDad (tall white dude) say, as we're encountering this and that on our bikes, "This is like racism, only on the street." I could almost hear the switch flip in his head.

            Vehicular discrimination is discrimination.

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            • Poligofsky πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦8 Poligofsky πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

              @mekkaokereke Choosing a bicycle (when one has other options) takes the strength (love, hope, courage) to relinquish a form of power, and the cult of the individual, as embodied by the automobile. People are not good at giving things up!

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              #14

              @8r3n7 The way we talk about it helps a ton. Reframe it as getting exercise and saving money, as opposed to giving up power. As you said, people, even with good values, will live against them if they have power that is difficult to release.

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              • ChloΓ© RaccoonC ChloΓ© Raccoon

                @gbargoud @mekkaokereke @patterfloof Doesn't surprise me. The cycle lane nearest my house has no real excuse, the road is wide enough to segregate the traffic, cars would then park between the cycle lane and the moving traffic adding more protection, etc. But it would cost money. It really comes off as "we need to look like we're doing something with the minimum effort/cost possible"

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                #15

                @chloeraccoon @gbargoud @mekkaokereke @patterfloof upban planner: β€œI’m a cyclist, I ride every day”

                me: where do you like to ride?

                UP: β€œI mostly ride indoors”

                me: can you please meet with those of us who ride through town?

                UP: β€œI’ve studied traffic planning…..”

                me: but that’s a very dangerous intersection!

                UP: β€œwe can take a look at it”

                #rinseandrepeat

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                • CelloMom On CarsC CelloMom On Cars

                  @mekkaokereke

                  I actually heard CelloDad (tall white dude) say, as we're encountering this and that on our bikes, "This is like racism, only on the street." I could almost hear the switch flip in his head.

                  Vehicular discrimination is discrimination.

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                  le_bleu
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                  @mekkaokereke @CelloMomOnCars I completely agree, except that you can step down your bike and end bearing discrimination, whereas you cannot change your skin color or gender.

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                  • Poligofsky πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦8 Poligofsky πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

                    @mekkaokereke Choosing a bicycle (when one has other options) takes the strength (love, hope, courage) to relinquish a form of power, and the cult of the individual, as embodied by the automobile. People are not good at giving things up!

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                    @8r3n7 @mekkaokereke I guess but also there is no faster path to feeling good than to bike a few miles, seeing people and trees and feeling the wind on your cheek, unencumbered by laws or licenses, free to pedal faster or slower as your body and mind choose. Perhaps white privilege is training wheels for people that have given into fear, but also keeping them from life as it is meant to be lived.

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                    • mekka okereke :verified:M mekka okereke :verified:

                      I've said on here before, that I love the transformative power bikes have on how people think about interacting with each otherπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈβ™₯️

                      Having a bike stolen resets a white US person's understanding of what cops do and do not do.

                      Commuting on a bike resets a white US person's understanding of racist infrastructure.

                      I love bikes, especially cargo bikes and attachments for kids, because it's only about a 5 year learning journey for white folk from

                      πŸ‘©πŸΌ"I'm not political."

                      To

                      πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈ"Hey Mekka! I bought a cargo bike! It's so much fun!"

                      To

                      πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸ₯Š"🀬Man, Robert Moses was a %!#!#&@)+ for real! $#&* him and his momma!"

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                      #18

                      @mekkaokereke few things radicalize a white American faster than the real-time realization that cops don't give a federal fuck about their stolen bike, and, in fact, the cop who showed up is visible annoyed about the proceeding paperwork.

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                      • mekka okereke :verified:M mekka okereke :verified:

                        I've said on here before, that I love the transformative power bikes have on how people think about interacting with each otherπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈβ™₯️

                        Having a bike stolen resets a white US person's understanding of what cops do and do not do.

                        Commuting on a bike resets a white US person's understanding of racist infrastructure.

                        I love bikes, especially cargo bikes and attachments for kids, because it's only about a 5 year learning journey for white folk from

                        πŸ‘©πŸΌ"I'm not political."

                        To

                        πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈ"Hey Mekka! I bought a cargo bike! It's so much fun!"

                        To

                        πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸ₯Š"🀬Man, Robert Moses was a %!#!#&@)+ for real! $#&* him and his momma!"

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                        @mekkaokereke Cycling is a great opportunity for people like me to ever experience lack of privilege.

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                        • mekka okereke :verified:M mekka okereke :verified:

                          I've said on here before, that I love the transformative power bikes have on how people think about interacting with each otherπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈβ™₯️

                          Having a bike stolen resets a white US person's understanding of what cops do and do not do.

                          Commuting on a bike resets a white US person's understanding of racist infrastructure.

                          I love bikes, especially cargo bikes and attachments for kids, because it's only about a 5 year learning journey for white folk from

                          πŸ‘©πŸΌ"I'm not political."

                          To

                          πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈ"Hey Mekka! I bought a cargo bike! It's so much fun!"

                          To

                          πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸ₯Š"🀬Man, Robert Moses was a %!#!#&@)+ for real! $#&* him and his momma!"

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                          @mekkaokereke

                          About the only good thing Robert Moses ever did was drive Jane Jacobs out of New York: she came to Toronto, helped save us from some of our own car-centric follies

                          #YourLossOurGain

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                          • mekka okereke :verified:M mekka okereke :verified:

                            I've said on here before, that I love the transformative power bikes have on how people think about interacting with each otherπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈβ™₯️

                            Having a bike stolen resets a white US person's understanding of what cops do and do not do.

                            Commuting on a bike resets a white US person's understanding of racist infrastructure.

                            I love bikes, especially cargo bikes and attachments for kids, because it's only about a 5 year learning journey for white folk from

                            πŸ‘©πŸΌ"I'm not political."

                            To

                            πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈ"Hey Mekka! I bought a cargo bike! It's so much fun!"

                            To

                            πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸ₯Š"🀬Man, Robert Moses was a %!#!#&@)+ for real! $#&* him and his momma!"

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                            @mekkaokereke
                            So true, friend. And as a white dude, biking around town is one of the only times random people suddenly have opinions about what I'm wearing, which was a big eye-opener at first.

                            When I was hit by a hit-and-run driver, almost everyone (cops, coworkers, etc.) asked what I was wearing in the first or second question. (I had worn florescent yellow with lights front and back, but the implicit message was that I would have "deserved it" if I was wearing dark colors.)

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                            • Douglas MeadowfoamE Douglas Meadowfoam

                              @gbargoud @mekkaokereke @patterfloof @chloeraccoon

                              Yes, Recent and old research:

                              In an urban context, almost all accidents occur at intersections and almost all of those happen because car drivers don't look for/see bicycles. Protected lanes make bicycles less visible by forcing bikes to enter intersections where car drivers don't look. There are well designed intersections, but they aren't common.

                              See John Forester's (old) Bicycle Transportation.

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                              @eric @gbargoud @mekkaokereke @patterfloof @chloeraccoon

                              https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pRPduRHBhHI

                              Hereβ€˜s a 90min deepdive why John Foresterβ€˜s ideas are dangerous to cyclists and ruined cycling in the US for a lot of people.

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                              • mekka okereke :verified:M mekka okereke :verified:

                                I've said on here before, that I love the transformative power bikes have on how people think about interacting with each otherπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈβ™₯️

                                Having a bike stolen resets a white US person's understanding of what cops do and do not do.

                                Commuting on a bike resets a white US person's understanding of racist infrastructure.

                                I love bikes, especially cargo bikes and attachments for kids, because it's only about a 5 year learning journey for white folk from

                                πŸ‘©πŸΌ"I'm not political."

                                To

                                πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈ"Hey Mekka! I bought a cargo bike! It's so much fun!"

                                To

                                πŸ‘©πŸΌπŸš΄πŸΌβ€β™€οΈπŸ₯Š"🀬Man, Robert Moses was a %!#!#&@)+ for real! $#&* him and his momma!"

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                                @mekkaokereke

                                Fash have their pipelines, why can’t we have our own? (Such as bike lanes)

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                                • Poligofsky πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦8 Poligofsky πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

                                  @mekkaokereke Choosing a bicycle (when one has other options) takes the strength (love, hope, courage) to relinquish a form of power, and the cult of the individual, as embodied by the automobile. People are not good at giving things up!

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                                  @8r3n7 @mekkaokereke power maybe, but the trade for agility and the joy of an active form of transport is well worth it, but it's something to experience, in a safe enough environment, to realize.

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                                  • L le_bleu

                                    @mekkaokereke @CelloMomOnCars I completely agree, except that you can step down your bike and end bearing discrimination, whereas you cannot change your skin color or gender.

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                                    @le_bleu @mekkaokereke

                                    That's if you're privileged enough to have the car as an option as well as the bike or your feet.

                                    But those among us who are too young to drive, to old to drive, too poor to drive, or don't have the required documentation, don't have the option to change transportation mode.

                                    It's your feet, your bike, or someone else's car.

                                    And don't start me on public transit.

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                                    • CelloMom On CarsC CelloMom On Cars

                                      @le_bleu @mekkaokereke

                                      That's if you're privileged enough to have the car as an option as well as the bike or your feet.

                                      But those among us who are too young to drive, to old to drive, too poor to drive, or don't have the required documentation, don't have the option to change transportation mode.

                                      It's your feet, your bike, or someone else's car.

                                      And don't start me on public transit.

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                                      @CelloMomOnCars @le_bleu

                                      To be clear, I'm also talking very explicitly about people on bikes and seeing hostile infrastructure, wondering things like "Why did they build it that way?!" And "Who could possibly oppose a protected bike lane connecting this suburb to this part of downtown? Why would anyone not want that?" And coming face to face with explicitly racist city planning decisions, both in the past, and present today.

                                      In some cases the main reason it's not easy to bike from your home to your train station, is because some racist person knows that Black people have bikes too, and doesn't want it to be easy or safe to get from their house to your house without a car.πŸ€·πŸΏβ€β™‚οΈ

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                                      The Magazine for Architectural Entertainment

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                                      • Sibelius GinsterbergB Sibelius Ginsterberg

                                        @eric @gbargoud @mekkaokereke @patterfloof @chloeraccoon

                                        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pRPduRHBhHI

                                        Hereβ€˜s a 90min deepdive why John Foresterβ€˜s ideas are dangerous to cyclists and ruined cycling in the US for a lot of people.

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                                        @bollino313 @gbargoud @mekkaokereke @patterfloof @chloeraccoon

                                        Someone already gave me this link in private mention. It changed my mind. How I've learn to bicycle commute is not how most people should.

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                                        • fromjason.xyz ❀️ πŸ’»F fromjason.xyz ❀️ πŸ’»

                                          @mekkaokereke few things radicalize a white American faster than the real-time realization that cops don't give a federal fuck about their stolen bike, and, in fact, the cop who showed up is visible annoyed about the proceeding paperwork.

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                                          @fromjason @mekkaokereke
                                          The Project 529 bike theft prevention project in Vancouver cut bike theft by almost half and returns stolen bikes by the thousands (rather than auctioning them off like most police departments)

                                          Bike theft is a huge economic issue, but police departments hate to put any effort into it, even though a tiny investment is proven to pay off

                                          Not to absolve Vancouver’s Police Department, with one of the highest budgets in North America garnered on anti-homeless campaigns

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