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Again and again, I see the notion that humanity is committing "collective suicide" because we are not acting on #ClimateChange and other forms environmental destruction.

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  • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

    Again and again, I see the notion that humanity is committing "collective suicide" because we are not acting on #ClimateChange and other forms environmental destruction.

    I do not accept this thesis. This is not suicide, it is murder - perpetrated by the oligarchs of this world and others who want the #FossilFuel economy going for their own profit.

    And they have invested _massive_ amounts of money into propaganda to keep this system running. Not just by funding climate change denial - but also by promoting the concept of the individual "carbon footprint". Essentially, they have socialized the risks and privatized the profits, tricking us into believing that _we_ are to blame for not doing enough as individual persons, rather than _them_ for creating and perpetrating the system.

    This is part of the "personal responsibility" ideology pushed by those who already own most of the world, but still want more. If _we_ as individuals share in the blame for _their_ decisions, even though _they_ gain all the benefits from them and we do not, then that means we would have to fight _ourselves_ to save the world - rather than the true villains of this story.

    So let's put the accountability where it belongs, okay?

    Marcus ReynoldsM This user is from outside of this forum
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    @juergen_hubert

    #StopUsingFossilFuel if you can. Use less if you can. I want my grandchildren to live in an environment that is not inhospitable and function in an economy that is not distorted by this commodity.

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    • Marcus ReynoldsM Marcus Reynolds

      @juergen_hubert

      #StopUsingFossilFuel if you can. Use less if you can. I want my grandchildren to live in an environment that is not inhospitable and function in an economy that is not distorted by this commodity.

      Jürgen HubertJ This user is from outside of this forum
      Jürgen HubertJ This user is from outside of this forum
      Jürgen Hubert
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      @MarcusMASTO

      Oh, I do try to reduce it - I don't own a car, and my last private flight was in 2004.

      But ultimately, to stop global warming we need to stop the people who profit from it the most.

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      • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

        Again and again, I see the notion that humanity is committing "collective suicide" because we are not acting on #ClimateChange and other forms environmental destruction.

        I do not accept this thesis. This is not suicide, it is murder - perpetrated by the oligarchs of this world and others who want the #FossilFuel economy going for their own profit.

        And they have invested _massive_ amounts of money into propaganda to keep this system running. Not just by funding climate change denial - but also by promoting the concept of the individual "carbon footprint". Essentially, they have socialized the risks and privatized the profits, tricking us into believing that _we_ are to blame for not doing enough as individual persons, rather than _them_ for creating and perpetrating the system.

        This is part of the "personal responsibility" ideology pushed by those who already own most of the world, but still want more. If _we_ as individuals share in the blame for _their_ decisions, even though _they_ gain all the benefits from them and we do not, then that means we would have to fight _ourselves_ to save the world - rather than the true villains of this story.

        So let's put the accountability where it belongs, okay?

        Sepia FanS This user is from outside of this forum
        Sepia FanS This user is from outside of this forum
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        @juergen_hubert

        I know people who - when we talk about the climate issue and how one has any influence - tell me bluntly they'll only act when they are forced to. As long as their behaviour (obviously harmful to climate & nature) is allowed, they'll go on.

        That's counter-"personal responsibility" and I accept that - under the condition they at least vote for needed change.

        The issue is, they vote for parties that promise them to not change anything.

        How do you call that? Delegated suicide?

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        • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

          Again and again, I see the notion that humanity is committing "collective suicide" because we are not acting on #ClimateChange and other forms environmental destruction.

          I do not accept this thesis. This is not suicide, it is murder - perpetrated by the oligarchs of this world and others who want the #FossilFuel economy going for their own profit.

          And they have invested _massive_ amounts of money into propaganda to keep this system running. Not just by funding climate change denial - but also by promoting the concept of the individual "carbon footprint". Essentially, they have socialized the risks and privatized the profits, tricking us into believing that _we_ are to blame for not doing enough as individual persons, rather than _them_ for creating and perpetrating the system.

          This is part of the "personal responsibility" ideology pushed by those who already own most of the world, but still want more. If _we_ as individuals share in the blame for _their_ decisions, even though _they_ gain all the benefits from them and we do not, then that means we would have to fight _ourselves_ to save the world - rather than the true villains of this story.

          So let's put the accountability where it belongs, okay?

          Jeff CJ This user is from outside of this forum
          Jeff CJ This user is from outside of this forum
          Jeff C
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          @juergen_hubert
          It bothers me a bit that people still focus blame on specific groups. The sociological issue of climate change is quite a bit more nuanced; if you're interested in spending a couple days reading about it I have a summary of a forthcoming book here, and you can volunteer to be a beta reader.

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          • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

            Again and again, I see the notion that humanity is committing "collective suicide" because we are not acting on #ClimateChange and other forms environmental destruction.

            I do not accept this thesis. This is not suicide, it is murder - perpetrated by the oligarchs of this world and others who want the #FossilFuel economy going for their own profit.

            And they have invested _massive_ amounts of money into propaganda to keep this system running. Not just by funding climate change denial - but also by promoting the concept of the individual "carbon footprint". Essentially, they have socialized the risks and privatized the profits, tricking us into believing that _we_ are to blame for not doing enough as individual persons, rather than _them_ for creating and perpetrating the system.

            This is part of the "personal responsibility" ideology pushed by those who already own most of the world, but still want more. If _we_ as individuals share in the blame for _their_ decisions, even though _they_ gain all the benefits from them and we do not, then that means we would have to fight _ourselves_ to save the world - rather than the true villains of this story.

            So let's put the accountability where it belongs, okay?

            Coralie RenéeG This user is from outside of this forum
            Coralie RenéeG This user is from outside of this forum
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            @juergen_hubert

            Totally.

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            • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

              Again and again, I see the notion that humanity is committing "collective suicide" because we are not acting on #ClimateChange and other forms environmental destruction.

              I do not accept this thesis. This is not suicide, it is murder - perpetrated by the oligarchs of this world and others who want the #FossilFuel economy going for their own profit.

              And they have invested _massive_ amounts of money into propaganda to keep this system running. Not just by funding climate change denial - but also by promoting the concept of the individual "carbon footprint". Essentially, they have socialized the risks and privatized the profits, tricking us into believing that _we_ are to blame for not doing enough as individual persons, rather than _them_ for creating and perpetrating the system.

              This is part of the "personal responsibility" ideology pushed by those who already own most of the world, but still want more. If _we_ as individuals share in the blame for _their_ decisions, even though _they_ gain all the benefits from them and we do not, then that means we would have to fight _ourselves_ to save the world - rather than the true villains of this story.

              So let's put the accountability where it belongs, okay?

              Richard Michael BlaberR This user is from outside of this forum
              Richard Michael BlaberR This user is from outside of this forum
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              @juergen_hubert But we DO bear responsibility. Are we without agency? Who is it who allows the oligarchs to continue with their exploitation? Who allows them to maintain their wealth, their power & their privileges? If we don't rise up in revolt against them, we acquiesce in the system that creates the #climatechange, the environmental destruction, the loss of #biodiversity, & the social injustice.

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              • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                Again and again, I see the notion that humanity is committing "collective suicide" because we are not acting on #ClimateChange and other forms environmental destruction.

                I do not accept this thesis. This is not suicide, it is murder - perpetrated by the oligarchs of this world and others who want the #FossilFuel economy going for their own profit.

                And they have invested _massive_ amounts of money into propaganda to keep this system running. Not just by funding climate change denial - but also by promoting the concept of the individual "carbon footprint". Essentially, they have socialized the risks and privatized the profits, tricking us into believing that _we_ are to blame for not doing enough as individual persons, rather than _them_ for creating and perpetrating the system.

                This is part of the "personal responsibility" ideology pushed by those who already own most of the world, but still want more. If _we_ as individuals share in the blame for _their_ decisions, even though _they_ gain all the benefits from them and we do not, then that means we would have to fight _ourselves_ to save the world - rather than the true villains of this story.

                So let's put the accountability where it belongs, okay?

                Woke Leftist TrashA This user is from outside of this forum
                Woke Leftist TrashA This user is from outside of this forum
                Woke Leftist Trash
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                @juergen_hubert yes! They’ve also normalized oil as the keystone keeping society and peace together in political circles.

                They claim society will collapse into famine and endless war if commodity oil prices are not stable.

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                • Richard Michael BlaberR Richard Michael Blaber

                  @juergen_hubert But we DO bear responsibility. Are we without agency? Who is it who allows the oligarchs to continue with their exploitation? Who allows them to maintain their wealth, their power & their privileges? If we don't rise up in revolt against them, we acquiesce in the system that creates the #climatechange, the environmental destruction, the loss of #biodiversity, & the social injustice.

                  Jürgen HubertJ This user is from outside of this forum
                  Jürgen HubertJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @rmblaber1956

                  We _do_ share some responsibility, but it is in proportion to the power we have to affect things.

                  The people who have the most power but prioritize their own profit over the well-being of the planet have the most responsibility for this state of affairs.

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                  • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                    Again and again, I see the notion that humanity is committing "collective suicide" because we are not acting on #ClimateChange and other forms environmental destruction.

                    I do not accept this thesis. This is not suicide, it is murder - perpetrated by the oligarchs of this world and others who want the #FossilFuel economy going for their own profit.

                    And they have invested _massive_ amounts of money into propaganda to keep this system running. Not just by funding climate change denial - but also by promoting the concept of the individual "carbon footprint". Essentially, they have socialized the risks and privatized the profits, tricking us into believing that _we_ are to blame for not doing enough as individual persons, rather than _them_ for creating and perpetrating the system.

                    This is part of the "personal responsibility" ideology pushed by those who already own most of the world, but still want more. If _we_ as individuals share in the blame for _their_ decisions, even though _they_ gain all the benefits from them and we do not, then that means we would have to fight _ourselves_ to save the world - rather than the true villains of this story.

                    So let's put the accountability where it belongs, okay?

                    Prof LutzP This user is from outside of this forum
                    Prof LutzP This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @juergen_hubert people killed by oligarchs using planned climate triggered multi-crisis?
                    ➡️ #ClimatePurge

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                    • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                      @rmblaber1956

                      We _do_ share some responsibility, but it is in proportion to the power we have to affect things.

                      The people who have the most power but prioritize their own profit over the well-being of the planet have the most responsibility for this state of affairs.

                      Richard Michael BlaberR This user is from outside of this forum
                      Richard Michael BlaberR This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @juergen_hubert Agreed - but they need to be deprived of that excessive power. If they aren't, & I fear they won't be, the result will a calamitous ecological catastrophe, where those least responsible for it will suffer the most. That is already the case, in fact.

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                      • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                        Again and again, I see the notion that humanity is committing "collective suicide" because we are not acting on #ClimateChange and other forms environmental destruction.

                        I do not accept this thesis. This is not suicide, it is murder - perpetrated by the oligarchs of this world and others who want the #FossilFuel economy going for their own profit.

                        And they have invested _massive_ amounts of money into propaganda to keep this system running. Not just by funding climate change denial - but also by promoting the concept of the individual "carbon footprint". Essentially, they have socialized the risks and privatized the profits, tricking us into believing that _we_ are to blame for not doing enough as individual persons, rather than _them_ for creating and perpetrating the system.

                        This is part of the "personal responsibility" ideology pushed by those who already own most of the world, but still want more. If _we_ as individuals share in the blame for _their_ decisions, even though _they_ gain all the benefits from them and we do not, then that means we would have to fight _ourselves_ to save the world - rather than the true villains of this story.

                        So let's put the accountability where it belongs, okay?

                        Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
                        Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @juergen_hubert What you write meets the latest Oxfam report: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jan/10/world-richest-used-fair-share-emissions-2026-oxfam

                        But I have a different criticism of doom & gloom! The narrative of an apocalypse, of "humanity's suicide/extinction" dismisses all activism as ‘superfluous’ and ‘useless’. This aggressively resigned attitude merely avoids personal commitment and too often glosses over one's own inaction.

                        Only with hope we act. And yes, every action helps: That against the culprits *and* personal acting, living our visions.

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                        • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                          @MarcusMASTO

                          Oh, I do try to reduce it - I don't own a car, and my last private flight was in 2004.

                          But ultimately, to stop global warming we need to stop the people who profit from it the most.

                          Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
                          Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
                          Petra van Cronenburg
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                          @juergen_hubert We need BOTH.
                          @MarcusMASTO

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                          • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                            Again and again, I see the notion that humanity is committing "collective suicide" because we are not acting on #ClimateChange and other forms environmental destruction.

                            I do not accept this thesis. This is not suicide, it is murder - perpetrated by the oligarchs of this world and others who want the #FossilFuel economy going for their own profit.

                            And they have invested _massive_ amounts of money into propaganda to keep this system running. Not just by funding climate change denial - but also by promoting the concept of the individual "carbon footprint". Essentially, they have socialized the risks and privatized the profits, tricking us into believing that _we_ are to blame for not doing enough as individual persons, rather than _them_ for creating and perpetrating the system.

                            This is part of the "personal responsibility" ideology pushed by those who already own most of the world, but still want more. If _we_ as individuals share in the blame for _their_ decisions, even though _they_ gain all the benefits from them and we do not, then that means we would have to fight _ourselves_ to save the world - rather than the true villains of this story.

                            So let's put the accountability where it belongs, okay?

                            disorderlyfD This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @juergen_hubert Technically, the oil barons are committing suicide. They're just taking 90% of the species on earth with them, including the rest of humanity.

                            I agree it's a misguided notion to blame the whole species. I just also think the sentiment, while inaccurate, isn't necessarily coming from as defeatist a mindset as people think. It's like how people say humans are the "real monsters". Yeah, monsters can have redemption archs too if they want it and work at it.

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                            • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                              Again and again, I see the notion that humanity is committing "collective suicide" because we are not acting on #ClimateChange and other forms environmental destruction.

                              I do not accept this thesis. This is not suicide, it is murder - perpetrated by the oligarchs of this world and others who want the #FossilFuel economy going for their own profit.

                              And they have invested _massive_ amounts of money into propaganda to keep this system running. Not just by funding climate change denial - but also by promoting the concept of the individual "carbon footprint". Essentially, they have socialized the risks and privatized the profits, tricking us into believing that _we_ are to blame for not doing enough as individual persons, rather than _them_ for creating and perpetrating the system.

                              This is part of the "personal responsibility" ideology pushed by those who already own most of the world, but still want more. If _we_ as individuals share in the blame for _their_ decisions, even though _they_ gain all the benefits from them and we do not, then that means we would have to fight _ourselves_ to save the world - rather than the true villains of this story.

                              So let's put the accountability where it belongs, okay?

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                              J This user is from outside of this forum
                              JakeKb
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                              @juergen_hubert No, it's our fault too. We are way more than the oligarchs who ruin the planet and yet we don't organize and we don't try to make policies to stop them. Each and everyone of us has the personal responsibility to educate ourselves and our community and organize the fight from the bottom.

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                              • J JakeKb

                                @juergen_hubert No, it's our fault too. We are way more than the oligarchs who ruin the planet and yet we don't organize and we don't try to make policies to stop them. Each and everyone of us has the personal responsibility to educate ourselves and our community and organize the fight from the bottom.

                                Jürgen HubertJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Jürgen Hubert
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                                @JakeKb

                                Yes, most of us could do more to fight the oligarchs than we are currently doing.

                                But we would not _need_ to fight the oligarchs if they hadn't _chosen_ to ravage the planet for their own profit.

                                Anything else is victim-blaming.

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