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Just saw this from a friend and now I can't unsee it:

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  • Ben DelarreB This user is from outside of this forum
    Ben DelarreB This user is from outside of this forum
    Ben Delarre
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    Just saw this from a friend and now I can't unsee it:

    "I just had a weird thought. (LLM type) AI is a lot like torture, in that you'll get an answer that sounds plausible, but might not be true because the victim/AI will give whatever answer it thinks you want.

    From now on I'm going to think of asking AI stuff like you're waterboarding a nerdy seven year old."

    Stop the AI waterboarding!

    TalinT Jussi ToivonenJ S NetravenN tcscT 5 Replies Last reply
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    • Ben DelarreB Ben Delarre

      Just saw this from a friend and now I can't unsee it:

      "I just had a weird thought. (LLM type) AI is a lot like torture, in that you'll get an answer that sounds plausible, but might not be true because the victim/AI will give whatever answer it thinks you want.

      From now on I'm going to think of asking AI stuff like you're waterboarding a nerdy seven year old."

      Stop the AI waterboarding!

      TalinT This user is from outside of this forum
      TalinT This user is from outside of this forum
      Talin
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      @bendelarre I tend to think of AI as the new court astrologers - entities designed to tell the powerful what they want to hear. Court astrologers weren't stupid, they had math, even Galileo did it, and he's a hero of science. This doesn't make them any less wrong.

      Consider also that "plausibility" is what reinforcement learning trains AIs to do. Answers are evaluated not on truth or usefulness, but whether a human reviewer believed it. This makes the errors ever so much harder to spot.

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      • Ben DelarreB Ben Delarre

        Just saw this from a friend and now I can't unsee it:

        "I just had a weird thought. (LLM type) AI is a lot like torture, in that you'll get an answer that sounds plausible, but might not be true because the victim/AI will give whatever answer it thinks you want.

        From now on I'm going to think of asking AI stuff like you're waterboarding a nerdy seven year old."

        Stop the AI waterboarding!

        Jussi ToivonenJ This user is from outside of this forum
        Jussi ToivonenJ This user is from outside of this forum
        Jussi Toivonen
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        @bendelarre
        I heard capitalist robots are torturing human scientists in a similar way in order to produce "a technological solution" to the environmental collapse.

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        • Ben DelarreB Ben Delarre

          Just saw this from a friend and now I can't unsee it:

          "I just had a weird thought. (LLM type) AI is a lot like torture, in that you'll get an answer that sounds plausible, but might not be true because the victim/AI will give whatever answer it thinks you want.

          From now on I'm going to think of asking AI stuff like you're waterboarding a nerdy seven year old."

          Stop the AI waterboarding!

          S This user is from outside of this forum
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          ShadSterling
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          @bendelarre sounds consistent with the idea that what the investors really want is slaves

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          • Ben DelarreB Ben Delarre

            Just saw this from a friend and now I can't unsee it:

            "I just had a weird thought. (LLM type) AI is a lot like torture, in that you'll get an answer that sounds plausible, but might not be true because the victim/AI will give whatever answer it thinks you want.

            From now on I'm going to think of asking AI stuff like you're waterboarding a nerdy seven year old."

            Stop the AI waterboarding!

            NetravenN This user is from outside of this forum
            NetravenN This user is from outside of this forum
            Netraven
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            @bendelarre reminded my of this scene from venture brothers.

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            • Ben DelarreB Ben Delarre

              Just saw this from a friend and now I can't unsee it:

              "I just had a weird thought. (LLM type) AI is a lot like torture, in that you'll get an answer that sounds plausible, but might not be true because the victim/AI will give whatever answer it thinks you want.

              From now on I'm going to think of asking AI stuff like you're waterboarding a nerdy seven year old."

              Stop the AI waterboarding!

              tcscT This user is from outside of this forum
              tcscT This user is from outside of this forum
              tcsc
              wrote last edited by
              #6

              @bendelarre I view AI assistants as one of those guys who thinks admitting ignorance is a weakness and will always bullshit an answer rather than say "I don't know".

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