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  • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

    @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

    Interesting! I might check out the original German text at some point - it's available online as digital scans.

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    @juergen_hubert @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons Oh, it's in Fraktur (of course, but I hadn't expected that for some weird reason), but it seems I can still read that without trouble.

    I guess there's no modern paper edition in German that I can order?

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    • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

      @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

      I have to admit that I don't know many cases like that - my focus is on 19th century folk tales of the rural peasantry, not the merchant classes, and while there are occasional folk tales featuring foreign wives, their provenance tends to be... dubious.

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      @juergen_hubert @bookstodon @histodons It's smth I've recently been looking into. Like another case is the japanese Mitsuko Aoyama (1874-1941), who became the German-Austrian Countess Coudenhove-Kalergi.

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      • Halla RemptH Halla Rempt

        @juergen_hubert @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons Oh, it's in Fraktur (of course, but I hadn't expected that for some weird reason), but it seems I can still read that without trouble.

        I guess there's no modern paper edition in German that I can order?

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        @halla @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

        This one seems like it might fit:

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        • Mariam al-MasriM Mariam al-Masri

          @juergen_hubert @bookstodon @histodons It's smth I've recently been looking into. Like another case is the japanese Mitsuko Aoyama (1874-1941), who became the German-Austrian Countess Coudenhove-Kalergi.

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          @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

          Huh, interesting. Though didn't the same thing also happen with husbands from other European nations?

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          • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

            @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

            Huh, interesting. Though didn't the same thing also happen with husbands from other European nations?

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            @juergen_hubert @bookstodon @histodons A lot of them never took them as legal wives back home. Like the French had systems where they had a wife back home and a family abroad in the colonies. The German cases are significant because the women were the only wives of these German men.

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            • Mariam al-MasriM Mariam al-Masri

              @juergen_hubert @bookstodon @histodons A lot of them never took them as legal wives back home. Like the French had systems where they had a wife back home and a family abroad in the colonies. The German cases are significant because the women were the only wives of these German men.

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              @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

              Well, there's at least one German folk tale featuring bigamy of a German count with both a German and an Arab wife... but like I said, the provenance is dubious. 😉

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              • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

                Well, there's at least one German folk tale featuring bigamy of a German count with both a German and an Arab wife... but like I said, the provenance is dubious. 😉

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                @juergen_hubert @bookstodon @histodons Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I do wonder even if it is dubious if the pricing is people hearing about it from elsewhere and then embellishing the tale. Such speculations however are better left for fiction cause there's no way to pr9ve them.

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                • Mariam al-MasriM Mariam al-Masri

                  @juergen_hubert @bookstodon @histodons Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I do wonder even if it is dubious if the pricing is people hearing about it from elsewhere and then embellishing the tale. Such speculations however are better left for fiction cause there's no way to pr9ve them.

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                  @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

                  Most likely people saw the gravestone of the count with an engraving of two women next to him. In reality, one of them was likely his daughter - but that explanation was _boring_, so they came up with the more interesting story of pope-sanctioned bigamy.

                  What can I say? People back then were as horny as we are today. 😉

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                  • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                    @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

                    Most likely people saw the gravestone of the count with an engraving of two women next to him. In reality, one of them was likely his daughter - but that explanation was _boring_, so they came up with the more interesting story of pope-sanctioned bigamy.

                    What can I say? People back then were as horny as we are today. 😉

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                    @juergen_hubert @bookstodon @histodons Yeah, I was reading a book translating medeival Arabic erotica from the Book of Songs and can confirm they were just as freaky, if not more so than we are! Like this is not to mention all the untranslated erotic materials from the pre-modern world.

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                    • Mariam al-MasriM Mariam al-Masri

                      @juergen_hubert @bookstodon @histodons Yeah, I was reading a book translating medeival Arabic erotica from the Book of Songs and can confirm they were just as freaky, if not more so than we are! Like this is not to mention all the untranslated erotic materials from the pre-modern world.

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                      @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

                      Most German folk tales were told in mixed company of all ages, and thus weren't _too_ raunchy.

                      Still, there were exceptions like the following one.

                      And I will publish a story about a dwarven sex party in February.

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                      • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                        @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

                        Most German folk tales were told in mixed company of all ages, and thus weren't _too_ raunchy.

                        Still, there were exceptions like the following one.

                        And I will publish a story about a dwarven sex party in February.

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                        The Treasures of the Isholz

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                        Sunken Castles, Evil Poodles Wiki (wiki.sunkencastles.com)

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                        @juergen_hubert @bookstodon @histodons Nice, yeah I think Arabic folktales are similar. Since poetry was for adults, the poetry was not so censored.

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                        • Mariam al-MasriM Mariam al-Masri

                          @juergen_hubert @bookstodon @histodons Nice, yeah I think Arabic folktales are similar. Since poetry was for adults, the poetry was not so censored.

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                          @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

                          By the way, can you recommend any good collections of _Arabic_ folktales? (I.e. not Persian, like "1001 Nights").

                          It's been my impression that there are few of these because of cultural biases by Arabic scholars against "Old Wives' Tales".

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                          • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                            @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

                            By the way, can you recommend any good collections of _Arabic_ folktales? (I.e. not Persian, like "1001 Nights").

                            It's been my impression that there are few of these because of cultural biases by Arabic scholars against "Old Wives' Tales".

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                            @juergen_hubert @bookstodon @histodons There are actually a lot of them. When I get to my laptop (likely tomorrow cause its late), I'll make a big post and tag you.

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                            • Mariam al-MasriM Mariam al-Masri

                              @juergen_hubert @bookstodon @histodons There are actually a lot of them. When I get to my laptop (likely tomorrow cause its late), I'll make a big post and tag you.

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                              @mariam_al_masri_author @bookstodon @histodons

                              Thanks!

                              I've had Arab men insisting to me that there weren't any such tales, which I found dubious.

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