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  • BLAMM67B BLAMM67

    This kind of thinking is wasteful. Every d20 has a finite lifespan. It was created, and it will, at some time in the future be destroyed, as all things are. That means it has a finite number of rolls in its lifetime, with an equal distribution of all possible outcomes. When you “practice roll” and get a nat 20, you have wasted one of the limited number of nat 20s that die has in it. Think of the 20s. Don’t practice roll.

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    bongles@lemmy.zip
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    This is like a common house fly worrying about the lifespan of Cthulhu.

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    • F fearfulsalad@ttrpg.network

      Before you roll any dice, the chances of rolling two nat 1s are 1/400. But after you roll your first die, whatever it happened to be, your chances of rolling a nat 1 are 1/20. The chances of the entire scenario have no impact on the probability of the individual rolls

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      brian@lemmy.ca
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      Right but the way I took the meme was that you would roll until you get a 1, then deciding the next roll is the “real” one.

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      • B brian@lemmy.ca

        Right but the way I took the meme was that you would roll until you get a 1, then deciding the next roll is the “real” one.

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        cavemanfreak@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        That’s what the meme says, but probability doesn’t work that way. If you want the result from a roll, what you’ve roller before has no bearing on the result from this roll. Thus the chance for a single d20 roll is always 1/20, or 5%.

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          rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works
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          Monty Hall would love this guy

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            This is like a common house fly worrying about the lifespan of Cthulhu.

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            rizzrustbolt@lemmy.world
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            You haven’t seen how some of the folks I play with roll.

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            • R rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works

              Monty Hall would love this guy

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              underpantsweevil@lemmy.world
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              It literally doesn’t matter whether you stick with your door or switch.

              Takes mathematical model and shoves it in the trash

              No! I won’t listen! It doesn’t matter, I tell you!!!

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              • B brian@lemmy.ca

                Ok. I know that this isn’t correct… But isn’t it?

                If you’re having an unlimited number of rolls prior to your “real” roll, then you would be, in essence, creating a situation that has a statistically lower chance of happening.

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                underpantsweevil@lemmy.world
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                If you’re having an unlimited number of rolls prior to your “real” roll

                You’d end up with a perfectly smooth D20 which would never stop rolling, assuming it was rolled in a vacuum.

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                • S SatansMaggotyCumFart

                  No. You have a five percent chance of rolling any given number on any given roll on a twenty sided die.

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                  underpantsweevil@lemmy.world
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                  Okay, normally, sure. But what if I cross my fingers and kick my heels and rub my lucky clover?

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                  • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU underpantsweevil@lemmy.world

                    It literally doesn’t matter whether you stick with your door or switch.

                    Takes mathematical model and shoves it in the trash

                    No! I won’t listen! It doesn’t matter, I tell you!!!

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                    bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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                    Man there’s something about the monty hall problem that just messes with human reasoning. I get it now and it’s really not even complicated at all but when you first learn about it you tend to overthink it. Now I don’t even understand how I was ever confused.

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                    • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU underpantsweevil@lemmy.world

                      It literally doesn’t matter whether you stick with your door or switch.

                      Takes mathematical model and shoves it in the trash

                      No! I won’t listen! It doesn’t matter, I tell you!!!

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                      jakenveina@midwest.social
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                      Are you being facetious, or do you want a non-mathematical explanation?

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                      • R rizzrustbolt@lemmy.world

                        You haven’t seen how some of the folks I play with roll.

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                        tgirlschierke
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                        i assume revenge for stepping on a d4 once?

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                          sbv@sh.itjust.works
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                          The trick is to say “this is just a practice roll” where the die can hear you, but wink at the GM so they know it’s the real roll. That way, the die will be a spiteful little punk and throw out the nat20 for the “practice”.

                          But don’t do that too often, or the die will figure out the trick.

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                          • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU underpantsweevil@lemmy.world

                            Okay, normally, sure. But what if I cross my fingers and kick my heels and rub my lucky clover?

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                            tgirlschierke
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                            then it’s 4% each result. you don’t want to know what happens with the missing 20%.

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                            • B brian@lemmy.ca

                              Ok. I know that this isn’t correct… But isn’t it?

                              If you’re having an unlimited number of rolls prior to your “real” roll, then you would be, in essence, creating a situation that has a statistically lower chance of happening.

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                              jakenveina@midwest.social
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                              The standard answer is that the odds of the first roll don’t change the odds of the second roll, the second roll still has a 1/20 chance of a 1, no matter what the first roll is.

                              The more thorough answer is that it’s a misunderstanding of what probabilities are. Yes, there’s a 1/400 chance of rolling 2 1s, but by the time you roll the first die and get a 1, you’re not talking about that problem anymore. You’ve introduced new information to the problem, and thus have to change your calculation. There’s a 1/20 chance of rolling 2 1s after you’re already rolled one. Let’s calculate it…

                              So, there’s 400 ways 2 dice can fall, yes, and there’s only 1 way that they can both fall on 1. However, there’s 20 ways that the first die can fall on 1, one for each possible fall of the second die. So, when we say that that has already happened, we have to eliminate 380 of those 400 die rolls, those are no longer possible. That leaves us with only 20 ways that the second die can fall, and only 1 of those is a 1. So the odds of rolling a on the second die, after already rolling a 1 on the first die is 1/20.

                              We can also calculate it differently. What are the odds of the second die falling on 1? Cause that’s the one we care about, really. And there’s 20 ways that can happen, one for each possible fall of the first die. So the odds of the second die falling on 1, when rolling 2 dice is 20/400, or 1/20.

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                              • tgirlschierkeT tgirlschierke

                                i assume revenge for stepping on a d4 once?

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                                bytejunk@lemmy.world
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                                D4 is the devil’s dice.

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                                • R rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works

                                  Monty Hall would love this guy

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                                  Imagine if he didn’t always show the other zonk. “So you picked door number 1. Let’s see what’s behind door number 2!”

                                  Door 2 reveals a brand new car

                                  “… So, do you wanna switch to door 3?”

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                                  • BLAMM67B BLAMM67

                                    This kind of thinking is wasteful. Every d20 has a finite lifespan. It was created, and it will, at some time in the future be destroyed, as all things are. That means it has a finite number of rolls in its lifetime, with an equal distribution of all possible outcomes. When you “practice roll” and get a nat 20, you have wasted one of the limited number of nat 20s that die has in it. Think of the 20s. Don’t practice roll.

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                                    starman2112@sh.itjust.works
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                                    🎶These dice are spinning around me

                                    🎶The whole table’s spinning without me

                                    🎶Every sesh sends future to past

                                    🎶Every roll leaves me one less to my last

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                                    • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU underpantsweevil@lemmy.world

                                      Okay, normally, sure. But what if I cross my fingers and kick my heels and rub my lucky clover?

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                                      SatansMaggotyCumFart
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                                      I don’t know but if you rub my lucky clover you’ll get a little squirt of luck.

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                                      • B bongles@lemmy.zip

                                        This is like a common house fly worrying about the lifespan of Cthulhu.

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                                        monkemischief@lemmy.today
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                                        Maybe the real Cthulhu was the impossibly mind-breaking irrational thought experiments we subjected ourselves to along the way! 😄

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                                        • B brian@lemmy.ca

                                          Ok. I know that this isn’t correct… But isn’t it?

                                          If you’re having an unlimited number of rolls prior to your “real” roll, then you would be, in essence, creating a situation that has a statistically lower chance of happening.

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                                          psycotica0@lemmy.ca
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                                          Short version, two coin flips. There are 4 options:

                                          HH, HT, TH, TT

                                          So there’s two chances to get one Tails and one Heads, out of 4, so 2/4 = 1/2, half the tosses. Then 1/4 on each of HH and TT.

                                          So rolling one Tails is more likely than rolling two.

                                          But once you’ve flipped the first coin, it’s “locked in”. If it was Heads, the only options left to you are HT and HH. The fact that there could have been a T that, if flipped first, would land us in TH is irrelevant fantasy. We’ve got the H, and all that’s left is HT or HH, even odds.

                                          Dice are the same. What makes a double 1 rare is that you have to roll 1 specifically and only two times to get there, whereas a single 1 can be first or second, and the other number can be any of the other 19 other numbers. It’s the duplication of different results we consider “the same” that make one thing more likely. But once you’ve already rolled a 1, none of that matters anymore. Now it’s just 20 numbers, each equally likely. We’re locked in.

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