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Giving men a common antidepressant could help tackle domestic violence: world-first study

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  • T tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml

    Or… OR!.. Or: we treat the root cause of depression in men.

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    captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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    If you read the article, depression is a component, but the real issue is inability to emotionally regulate often due to trauma or mental illness (where the depression comes in). Additionally they approached it from a holistic perspective and included therapy. Mind you this is an initial study so it’s good it didn’t have too broad of a scope.

    Furthermore, this is treating a root cause of the issue, but in the sons (and possibly daughters) of the people being treated. Growing up with an abusive parent makes you much more likely to become abusive as an adult, and having that parent get help and stop abusing is probably going to spare some future men from preventable mental illness.

    Sure there are other social issues that can lead to worse mental health, but the results of this study are hugely inspiring and can help now.

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    • C captainlezbian@lemmy.world

      I’m not going to pretend this is an emotionally easy or comfortable approach. There’s a desire to protect the victims and write off the perpetrators on one hand and on the other, there’s the men who feel attacked by the idea that abusive and violent men are having mental health issues. But I believe in evidence based solutions. If this works, and it doesn’t violate fundamental rights (which it doesn’t), then it’s a path I want pursued.

      And it makes a lot of sense to me. Every abuser I’ve had has had mental health issues. My father couldn’t fully control big emotions in the moment, and so when he didn’t have the capacity to step away, such as a car ride or a hotel room, he scared the shit out of us.

      I would love a pilot program that forces domestic abusers into mental health treatment similar to addicts are sometimes put into sobriety programs.

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      dancingbear@midwest.social
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      #66

      As the woman who opened the first domestic violence shelter in the world found out, most domestic violence issues are reciprocal in the relationships.

      That said, if the men or the women are have mental health issues that can be helped with medications, why is this a big deal.

      Sounds great.

      Edit: I went and looked some things up myself… apparently there are now acronyms and new language I was previously unaware of. IPV is intimate partner violence…. IPV can apparently be non reciprocal or reciprocal (bidirectional)… reciprocal / bidirectional is more prevalent… so yeah, I also watched some cool videos online about issues men are facing which was cool, but again… if antidepressants can help some women and men be less violent in their relationships, hopefully this is a good thing…

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      • A arrow74@lemmy.zip

        What a weird thing to take away from the article.

        Certainly you can think of at least a few organizations tackling homelessness, untreated mental health disorders, substance use, relationship crises, disengagement from health services and conflicts with government institutions.

        Seriously it’s a single study into another topic. That’s just how science works. I’ll never understand when people get mad that a study exists and that it is somehow unable to cover every possibility of a complex topic in a single study.

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        dancingbear@midwest.social
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        You sound more upset about it than he or she does. They’re just making a comment that has some truth to it in the context of broader men’s issues.

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        • D dancingbear@midwest.social

          As the woman who opened the first domestic violence shelter in the world found out, most domestic violence issues are reciprocal in the relationships.

          That said, if the men or the women are have mental health issues that can be helped with medications, why is this a big deal.

          Sounds great.

          Edit: I went and looked some things up myself… apparently there are now acronyms and new language I was previously unaware of. IPV is intimate partner violence…. IPV can apparently be non reciprocal or reciprocal (bidirectional)… reciprocal / bidirectional is more prevalent… so yeah, I also watched some cool videos online about issues men are facing which was cool, but again… if antidepressants can help some women and men be less violent in their relationships, hopefully this is a good thing…

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          uncouple9831@lemmy.zip
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          Definitely a citation needed there

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          • U uncouple9831@lemmy.zip

            Definitely a citation needed there

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            dancingbear@midwest.social
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            #69

            Easy enough to find if you’re interested.

            Idk woman who created first domestic violence shelter, domestic violence studies…. Lol

            She tried to open a domestic violence shelter for men, but couldn’t get funding.

            Men are stronger than women. We notice black eyes and death easier than emotional and psychological trauma.

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            • D dancingbear@midwest.social

              Easy enough to find if you’re interested.

              Idk woman who created first domestic violence shelter, domestic violence studies…. Lol

              She tried to open a domestic violence shelter for men, but couldn’t get funding.

              Men are stronger than women. We notice black eyes and death easier than emotional and psychological trauma.

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              uncouple9831@lemmy.zip
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              #70

              So where is the citation?

              That same founder is now banned from the place she founded.

              Wikipedia also had a citation needed for her claims.

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              • U uncouple9831@lemmy.zip

                So where is the citation?

                That same founder is now banned from the place she founded.

                Wikipedia also had a citation needed for her claims.

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                dancingbear@midwest.social
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                Feel free to look it up like I said 👍

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                • C chonkyowlbear@lemmy.world

                  Drugs, minor theft, any of the various excuses police use to lock up the homeless and those having a mental health crisis. Lots of options.

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                  protist@mander.xyz
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                  Why did you bring homelessness and mental health crises into this? This article has nothing to do with either

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                  • D dancingbear@midwest.social

                    Feel free to look it up like I said 👍

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                    uncouple9831@lemmy.zip
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                    And I clearly did. So are you gonna put up or shut up?

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                    • U uncouple9831@lemmy.zip

                      And I clearly did. So are you gonna put up or shut up?

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                      dancingbear@midwest.social
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                      You seem angry about something. Not my problem. Glad you looked it up 👍

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                      • D dancingbear@midwest.social

                        You seem angry about something. Not my problem. Glad you looked it up 👍

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                        uncouple9831@lemmy.zip
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                        So that’s a no: you have no proof to back your bigoted claims. You’re just a bigot. Cool.

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                        • U uncouple9831@lemmy.zip

                          So that’s a no: you have no proof to back your bigoted claims. You’re just a bigot. Cool.

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                          dancingbear@midwest.social
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                          lol have a great day, not in the mood to be trolled. Continue to deny facts all you like, again, not my problem.

                          Edit: I’ll have you know I came home from work today and my wife did not have dinner ready. I didn’t beat her or anything. I didn’t even get angry! But now? Now I’m really mad!!! /s

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                          • D dancingbear@midwest.social

                            lol have a great day, not in the mood to be trolled. Continue to deny facts all you like, again, not my problem.

                            Edit: I’ll have you know I came home from work today and my wife did not have dinner ready. I didn’t beat her or anything. I didn’t even get angry! But now? Now I’m really mad!!! /s

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                            nindelofocho@lemmy.world
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                            My guy, you literally didn’t provide any facts and they even tried to look for them but couldnt.

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                            • N nindelofocho@lemmy.world

                              My guy, you literally didn’t provide any facts and they even tried to look for them but couldnt.

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                              dancingbear@midwest.social
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                              Anyways… first woman to open domestic violence shelter…. Have fun.

                              I’m assuming you have internet access lol.

                              Domestic violence is a tough topic to have genuine dialogue about because people are generally entrenched in their camps and beliefs as far as men’s rights or feminists… and I’m not going there. (If you disagree, look at the rest of the comments in the post.)

                              Guess that makes me a “bigot”… haha.

                              Edit: by the way, I am both a blue pill cuck according to the men’s rights people as well as a bigot to the feminists i guess 🤷‍♂️

                              Also, this is really great. I believe it’s well documented that men have issues seeking health care, including mental health care especially, so this is a good thing… domestic violence kind of sucks for either partner in the relationship. Also, lesbian couples in general have more domestic violence than gay or straight couples, which is telling. Although some of this I assume is because much of society is still homophobic in this regard. More pressure on the couple because of possibly not being accepted as much in their communities may be a factor. Domestic violence is a serious issue for everyone involved and hopefully more studies like this can help us all.

                              Why would I engage with someone frothing at the mouth to call me a bigot? Not worth my time. Anyone who wants to learn about men’s issues can look up facts that have been true since the 70’s, when the first domestic violence shelter was opened in England.

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                              • P protist@mander.xyz

                                Why did you bring homelessness and mental health crises into this? This article has nothing to do with either

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                                chonkyowlbear@lemmy.world
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                                I literally posted a quote from the article where it talks about homelessness and untreated mental health.

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                                • D dancingbear@midwest.social

                                  As the woman who opened the first domestic violence shelter in the world found out, most domestic violence issues are reciprocal in the relationships.

                                  That said, if the men or the women are have mental health issues that can be helped with medications, why is this a big deal.

                                  Sounds great.

                                  Edit: I went and looked some things up myself… apparently there are now acronyms and new language I was previously unaware of. IPV is intimate partner violence…. IPV can apparently be non reciprocal or reciprocal (bidirectional)… reciprocal / bidirectional is more prevalent… so yeah, I also watched some cool videos online about issues men are facing which was cool, but again… if antidepressants can help some women and men be less violent in their relationships, hopefully this is a good thing…

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                                  captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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                                  Having seen mutually abusive relationships I think it’s far more complicated than it may initially feel like. It’s less “abusers wind up with abusers” and more that people whose understanding of love is abuse wind up together because healthy relationships feel wrong or nobody else will put up with them. But whether or not that happens, mutually destructive behaviors compound. When you can’t get a word in edgewise you may start to raise tour voice. When you get hit you may start to emotionally manipulate your partner. When you get emotionally manipulated you may escalate. It becomes an oroboros of unhealthy behaviors.

                                  None of this makes the victims not victims. It also doesn’t mean it’s all people or that these people can’t change after leaving. This cycle needs to be broken when it manifests, and it needs to happen before someone dies.

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                                  • D dancingbear@midwest.social

                                    Anyways… first woman to open domestic violence shelter…. Have fun.

                                    I’m assuming you have internet access lol.

                                    Domestic violence is a tough topic to have genuine dialogue about because people are generally entrenched in their camps and beliefs as far as men’s rights or feminists… and I’m not going there. (If you disagree, look at the rest of the comments in the post.)

                                    Guess that makes me a “bigot”… haha.

                                    Edit: by the way, I am both a blue pill cuck according to the men’s rights people as well as a bigot to the feminists i guess 🤷‍♂️

                                    Also, this is really great. I believe it’s well documented that men have issues seeking health care, including mental health care especially, so this is a good thing… domestic violence kind of sucks for either partner in the relationship. Also, lesbian couples in general have more domestic violence than gay or straight couples, which is telling. Although some of this I assume is because much of society is still homophobic in this regard. More pressure on the couple because of possibly not being accepted as much in their communities may be a factor. Domestic violence is a serious issue for everyone involved and hopefully more studies like this can help us all.

                                    Why would I engage with someone frothing at the mouth to call me a bigot? Not worth my time. Anyone who wants to learn about men’s issues can look up facts that have been true since the 70’s, when the first domestic violence shelter was opened in England.

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                                    nindelofocho@lemmy.world
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                                    I do have internet and can see that the other responder already did the research and that very founder you mentioned is banned from the very place they founded. And wikipedia literally states that there is citation needed.

                                    Learn to admit when you’re wrong you might actually learn something so you can be right in the future.

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                                    • N nindelofocho@lemmy.world

                                      I do have internet and can see that the other responder already did the research and that very founder you mentioned is banned from the very place they founded. And wikipedia literally states that there is citation needed.

                                      Learn to admit when you’re wrong you might actually learn something so you can be right in the future.

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                                      dancingbear@midwest.social
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                                      I’m not wrong lol. That domestic violence is more often reciprocal than non reciprocal was noticed by her, but there have been plenty of other studies since that time that prove this fact. Whatever issues she has with the organization she founded are irrelevant to my statements. The facts are still true.

                                      Please stop being a troll. Maybe relax a little. It’s going to be okay once you get your panties out of their bunch.

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                                      • D dancingbear@midwest.social

                                        I’m not wrong lol. That domestic violence is more often reciprocal than non reciprocal was noticed by her, but there have been plenty of other studies since that time that prove this fact. Whatever issues she has with the organization she founded are irrelevant to my statements. The facts are still true.

                                        Please stop being a troll. Maybe relax a little. It’s going to be okay once you get your panties out of their bunch.

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                                        nindelofocho@lemmy.world
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                                        You’re the troll you’re stating something as fact when you cant even provide an iota of valid supporting evidence. You’re basically spreading misinformation

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                                        • N nindelofocho@lemmy.world

                                          You’re the troll you’re stating something as fact when you cant even provide an iota of valid supporting evidence. You’re basically spreading misinformation

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                                          dancingbear@midwest.social
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                                          Lol. Have fun in life.

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