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Charlie Stross

@raymaccarthy @FediThing Yes, although adopting it is mandatory for EU membership: the Brexiters are somehow convinced that they want rid of it (despite it initially being called for by their object of veneration Winston Churchill.)

FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

@raymaccarthy @cstross

Yup, that's why the UK is still a member of the ECHR.

If they leave the ECHR that leaves the UK with precisely zero protections of human rights. It would be entirely up to the whim of whoever controls parliament whether there are elections, whether people are allowed to vote, whether people live or die etc.

In most other democratic countries their PR electoral system and written constitution protects human rights, but the UK's FPTP system and lack of any written constitution means it's usually just one party that controls everything.

The UK is in a really, really dangerous position for civil liberties.

Angus McIntyre

@cstross Ah yes, it's “The reason why Brexit didn't work is because it wasn't REAL Brexit." It's the right-wing version of the continually-moving-the-goalposts logic that has a certain class of tankie telling you that the reason the Soviet Union wasn't paradise on Earth is because it wasn't REAL Communism (that part at least is true, but …)

I assume the Real Brexiteers won't be happy until the British Empire is restored. Or not even then, because of course it won't be the REAL British Empire …

Bruce Heerssen

@angusm @cstross
Look, if you don't have an Armada of Ships of the Line, then you don't have a proper empire.

WellsiteGeo

@rootwyrm @aadeacon @cstross
30 years of public contempt and humiliation is nowhere *near* long enough. Why give them the ease of an early death?

WellsiteGeo

@aadeacon @cstross

And the news is ...?

Uilebheist

@cstross Also, stop all supplies coming into the UK 12 miles from port. Or unload into a British vessel in the middle of the sea!!!!111!!!!

Fish Id Wardrobe

@cstross this is just fascism now. england as the Master Race. shut out all the other rabble! then! we will be great! again! ::salutes::

matlag

@cstross I don't think that will cut it. I think true Brexit will be achieved when the UK bans all exchanges of any kind with the EU: trade, people, communication, including sectioning Internet cables.

Madeleine Morris

@angusm

These people have chosen to define themselves entirely by their disappointment. (At all the wrong things).

@cstross

Angus McIntyre

@bruce Coming soon to a @cstross novel near you: “Undead cyborg Admiral Nelson commanding Her Majesty's warships Caledonia and Hibernia at the re-taking of Hong Kong and Kowloon: Chinese robot defenders sorely discomfited by brisk volley of grapeshot fired by stout-hearted tars of the Royal Navy.”

arrbee

@angusm @cstross
I suspect the real real Brexiters won't be happy until the UK is a vassal state of the USA - although I suspect we would end up with the same status as Puerto Rico.

Daniel

@rogerb @angusm @cstross That’s not too far from current reality anyways, is it?

Cass M 🇨🇦 :failtusk: :CApride:

@rogerb @angusm @cstross same as the Alberta separatists…they think they'll get statehood because oil but would become a territory with subjected to poor wages and unleashed pollution.

Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫

@Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross

They're trapped by a politics of negativity. They don't want to build, nourish, invest, research, create. It's all ban this, cancel that, withdraw from any kind of cooperation, stop the boats, cut taxes, cut regulations. They're full of ideas to stop doing things or go back to an imagined past, haven't got the most rudimentary idea of a positive thing to start doing or a way to move forwards.

Also they're super racist and creepy around women and children.

Wayward Sun (yak shaver extraordinaire)

@angusm @cstross On the continent, we call this kind of thing a Dolchstosslegende: it is taken as so self-evident that X should have succeeded, even if it clearly didn't (say starting WW I, or leaving the EU), it must be due to some deep conspiracy, so the solution is to do the same thing, only harder...

Bruno Nicoletti

@petealexharris @Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross That’s because they dare not actually be upfront about what they want to impose on us. So their main way of getting people on side is to simply make people scared and angry at imaginary things.

Angus McIntyre

@rogerb @cstross "Take back control! (and give it to a few of our rich mates on the other side of the Atlantic)”

dstu

@cstross thanks, now I'm listening to DDT's "Revolution" (ДДТ - Революция). "Revolution, you taught us to believe in virtue's injustice. How many worlds an hour will we burn in the name of your bright fire?"

Bruno Nicoletti

@petealexharris @Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross Quoting Sergio Caneva, writing in 1973, describing Italian Fascism in his book documenting the history of partisans in the Veneto (my translation).

“Fascism was neither an idea nor a doctrine, it was just a big cloud of soot created to defend the interest of the land owners and industrialists ... with the abuse of the word ‘fatherland’.”

History rhyming and all that.

Wandering Adventure Party

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