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  3. It’s neat that some people insist fan fiction is more “art” than LLM output.

It’s neat that some people insist fan fiction is more “art” than LLM output.

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  • Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
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    It’s neat that some people insist fan fiction is more “art” than LLM output. Disney disagrees.

    Disney is fine with OpenAI producing derivative works from its IP. The evidence is simple. There is a licensing deal. Disney also holds about $1B in OpenAI equity.

    Meanwhile, sell a hand-crafted derivative work on Amazon and Disney’s lawyers arrive at warp speed.

    So the debate about artistic merit is irrelevant. Whether you think LLMs are inferior to fan fiction does not matter. Your opinion is not the one with enforcement power.

    Disney’s view wins by default, because Disney controls the lawyers.

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    • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

      It’s neat that some people insist fan fiction is more “art” than LLM output. Disney disagrees.

      Disney is fine with OpenAI producing derivative works from its IP. The evidence is simple. There is a licensing deal. Disney also holds about $1B in OpenAI equity.

      Meanwhile, sell a hand-crafted derivative work on Amazon and Disney’s lawyers arrive at warp speed.

      So the debate about artistic merit is irrelevant. Whether you think LLMs are inferior to fan fiction does not matter. Your opinion is not the one with enforcement power.

      Disney’s view wins by default, because Disney controls the lawyers.

      Armchair EpistemologistR This user is from outside of this forum
      Armchair EpistemologistR This user is from outside of this forum
      Armchair Epistemologist
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      @atomicpoet or maybe copyright law is orthogonal to the concept of art

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      • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

        It’s neat that some people insist fan fiction is more “art” than LLM output. Disney disagrees.

        Disney is fine with OpenAI producing derivative works from its IP. The evidence is simple. There is a licensing deal. Disney also holds about $1B in OpenAI equity.

        Meanwhile, sell a hand-crafted derivative work on Amazon and Disney’s lawyers arrive at warp speed.

        So the debate about artistic merit is irrelevant. Whether you think LLMs are inferior to fan fiction does not matter. Your opinion is not the one with enforcement power.

        Disney’s view wins by default, because Disney controls the lawyers.

        KelsonK This user is from outside of this forum
        KelsonK This user is from outside of this forum
        Kelson
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        @atomicpoet That's not a judgment on whether it's "art," that's just a judgment on whether it can be commercialized.

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        • Armchair EpistemologistR Armchair Epistemologist

          @atomicpoet or maybe copyright law is orthogonal to the concept of art

          Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
          Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
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          Armchair Epistemologist “Art” is in quotation marks for a reason: in court, our opinions on artistic merit don’t matter.

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          • KelsonK Kelson

            @atomicpoet That's not a judgment on whether it's "art," that's just a judgment on whether it can be commercialized.

            Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
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            Kelson That’s true. However, my point is that while everyone argues about artistic merit, Disney is laughing all the way to the bank.

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