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  3. Please, don't post articles "this/that store ban nsfw content": it's payment system (like Visa/MasterCard) that want to regulate/take control of censorship above your government.

Please, don't post articles "this/that store ban nsfw content": it's payment system (like Visa/MasterCard) that want to regulate/take control of censorship above your government.

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  • Z zout

    Collective Shout seems to aim for X next, according to their site.

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    burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world
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    biting the hand that seig heils

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    • D darkkite@lemmy.ml

      People always say crypto has no value and is a scam but i don’t see how a stablecoin like usdc isn’t a much simpler solution vs trying to break the duopoly

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      spacescotsman@startrek.website
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      #37

      What happens when anti-porn organisations like Collective Shout go after the currency exchanges?

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      • EnvyE Envy

        While I agree with the spirit of it, those corporations are still beholden to local governments to not be sued out the ass.

        So I’d like to draw everyone’s attention to the fascist jackboots censoring the world from Australia, bragging about doing all of this:

        Just a moment...

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        (www.collectiveshout.org)

        Fuck your censorship Collective Shout. Get fucked while you’re at it, might loosen you up a bit

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        kautau@lemmy.world
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        #38

        Love how the bottom of the page is like

        We are an independent registered charity with no affiliation to religious or political institutions.

        Meanwhile, the founder

        In 2007, she published Defiant Birth: Women Who Resist Medical Eugenics[7], to a conservative journal called The National Catholic Bioethics Quarterly before being republished by Spinifex press.

        The journal is periodically published by a conservative think tank called The National Catholic Bioethics Center.

        In 2009, Tankard Reist spoke at a forum called, “Event: Inspiring Christians Series” in the Belconnen Baptist Church on behalf of Sheridan Voysey.

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        Melinda Tankard Reist - Wikipedia

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        She’s all about women. As long as they produce children regardless of how they were impregnated and are wives in Catholic marriages.

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        • kshade@lemmy.worldK kshade@lemmy.world

          What if they believe that being associated with adult games will hurt the bottom line?

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          bronzebeard@lemmy.zip
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          #39

          They basically have mon/du/triopolies in their field. Deciding to take less money is the only thing that hurts their bottom line. What’s a noisy group of a dozen assholes going to do, use a different processor? The very thing that allowed them to pressure the other companies is what makes them immune from these stupid threats

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          • S spacescotsman@startrek.website

            What happens when anti-porn organisations like Collective Shout go after the currency exchanges?

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            csh83669@programming.dev
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            #40

            Presumably they do what Visa/Mastercard should have done, and tell them to shove it. It’s just a bunch of uppity idiots from Australia, no one HAS to listen to them…

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            • M mhague@lemmy.world

              Melinda Tankard Reist.

              Michael Miebach.

              Ryan McInerney.

              Humans > branding and corporation names.

              When CVS “used racist AI” I didn’t see a single goddamn peep about the CEOs in charge while they had that policy.

              We should name the board and the whole leadership system but at least mentioning CEOs would be a great start.

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              JaggedRobotPubes
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              #41

              Yes!

              This is exactly correct. Thank you.

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              • FaceDeerF FaceDeer

                If only the Internet hadn’t spent the last decade collectively shitting on crypto instead of maybe learning a bit about how it works and what it could be used for.

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                agrivar@lemmy.world
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                #42

                If only crypto hadn’t turned out to be the 21st-century version of fine art for money laundering and/or a Ponzi scheme designed to separate fools from their money…

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                • C csh83669@programming.dev

                  Presumably they do what Visa/Mastercard should have done, and tell them to shove it. It’s just a bunch of uppity idiots from Australia, no one HAS to listen to them…

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                  chiliedogg@lemmy.world
                  wrote on last edited by chiliedogg@lemmy.world
                  #43

                  Crypto markets also need payment processors if people are going to buy and sell crypto.

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                  • paraphrandP paraphrand

                    Can you directly pay for porn on Twitter?

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                    godoflies@lemmy.ca
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                    #44

                    Do you need to pay to access Steam and play games? The answer is no - there are free games on Steam and also forum features that allow you to post media content too. From that standpoint they’re in the same boat. The difference is the platform’s intended use.

                    I think the real issue isn’t about Visa and MasterCard trying to gatekeep/censor this. The talk should be about we as a society haven’t matured enough to be willing to talk about our own bodies as humans and human nature with our own kids. If you look at what’s shown on mainstream TV around the world, off the top of my head, Europe seems to be a lot more mature about it than many parts elsewhere.

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                    • F frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                      Do you know that or are you speculating?

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                      artyom
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                      #45

                      Corporations do not give a single fuck about “angry, organized people”, only money.

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                      • S spacescotsman@startrek.website

                        What happens when anti-porn organisations like Collective Shout go after the currency exchanges?

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                        artyom
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                        #46

                        You don’t need exchanges.

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                        • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

                          More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

                          Thanks reading my TEDx

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                          wrote on last edited by kolanaki@pawb.social
                          #47

                          I mean, it’s a nanny organization called Collective Shout that is claiming responsibility for these recent product bans/removals. They just pressured the payment processors instead of the companies who own the stores this time. And it worked.

                          The nanny group sucks the most here. The payment processors suck for acquiescing to the nanny group, and everyone else sucks for acquiescing to the payment processors.

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                          • A artyom

                            Corporations do not give a single fuck about “angry, organized people”, only money.

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                            frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                            #48

                            They care about bad PR. Angry, organized people can create lots of bad PR.

                            Look, this whole subthread is jumping to conclusions based on speculation. Maybe they are using legal strategies, but that’s not obvious.

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                            • O obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip

                              The short term strategy would probably be to introduce Y payment processor and make it the preferred method of payment. Encourage it’s use industry wide and encourage consumers to adopt that method as widely as possible.

                              If that takes off… Then they can tell the other processors to get fucked.

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                              wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                              #49

                              Changing payment processors/engaging a new one is anything but a short term thing to implement. Otherwise Mastercard and Visa wouldn’t be in this situation to have this level of control to begin with.

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                              • F frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                They care about bad PR. Angry, organized people can create lots of bad PR.

                                Look, this whole subthread is jumping to conclusions based on speculation. Maybe they are using legal strategies, but that’s not obvious.

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                                artyom
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                                #50

                                Don’t believe that either.

                                I’m not jumping to conclusions, I’m asking questions.

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                                • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

                                  More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

                                  Thanks reading my TEDx

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                                  njm1314@lemmy.world
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                                  I get your point, but the stores are still caving. They are still playing ball and banning things. That needs to be remembered too.

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                                  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 K 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮

                                    I mean, it’s a nanny organization called Collective Shout that is claiming responsibility for these recent product bans/removals. They just pressured the payment processors instead of the companies who own the stores this time. And it worked.

                                    The nanny group sucks the most here. The payment processors suck for acquiescing to the nanny group, and everyone else sucks for acquiescing to the payment processors.

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                                    goretantath@lemmy.world
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                                    The payment processors have the final say and have done this multiple times in the past, i wouldnt be surprised of the “nanny” was secretly paid by them to find this shit for them to censor.

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                                    • W wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                      Changing payment processors/engaging a new one is anything but a short term thing to implement. Otherwise Mastercard and Visa wouldn’t be in this situation to have this level of control to begin with.

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                                      obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip
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                                      If 50 Cent could sell album for crypto from his nothing website a decade ago I feel like Valve has the technical wherewithal to implement one of 1,000 preexisting checkout solutions in the short term.

                                      I think selling steam giftcards (an existing solution they’re already using) at a markdown to expand that business would be pretty viable for a company that regularly marks their products down by up to 90%.

                                      They could literally do both of these almost instantly as preferred options while still accepting the big cards.

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                                      • N njm1314@lemmy.world

                                        I get your point, but the stores are still caving. They are still playing ball and banning things. That needs to be remembered too.

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                                        blametheantifa@lemmy.world
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                                        Unfortunately, the alternative is that they cease to exist almost instantly. This is what happens when we allow monopolies and trusts.

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                                        • S spacescotsman@startrek.website

                                          What happens when anti-porn organisations like Collective Shout go after the currency exchanges?

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                                          chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                          #55

                                          What exactly would they demand from them? A cryptocurrency exchange is not like a credit card company which has a direct relationship with every customer and vendor and is in direct control of transactions, instead they just handle buying and selling of decentralized currencies which are transacted permissionlessly on their own networks.

                                          It’s a lot more like cash, especially the ones designed for privacy.

                                          That said, stablecoins might also be a target, since they have freeze functions, I could see that becoming a problem.

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