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For a game called "Dungeons & Dragons" there is a shocking lack of both dungeons and dragons

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  • G IndescribablySad@threads.net

    We asked our DM to avoid using flying enemies after a dragon tpk’d us by breath weaponing and retreating for 30 rounds. Give me a tarasque before you even consider offering me a competent dragon

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    neatchee
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    This implies the existence of incompetent dragons and I really want my DM to have us fight one

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    • neatcheeN This user is from outside of this forum
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      neatchee
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      This sounds an awful lot like a story Gary made up to cover for his mistake /s

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      • R rumschlumpel@feddit.org

        Dragons are pretty high level-threats in D&D, which most players rarely get to fight because most campaigns don’t last that long. Which does make it a bit weird to name the entire franchise after such a rare enemy.

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        #25

        There’s pseudodragons and whelps that can easily be low level encounters. I threw a green dragon and a bunch of flying kobolds at my level 3 party and they easily won the fight.

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        • neatcheeN neatchee

          This sounds an awful lot like a story Gary made up to cover for his mistake /s

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          Rhaedas
          wrote last edited by rhaedas@fedia.io
          #26

          Supposedly some sources in the past claimed his wife made the pick, but wiki says it was his daughter. Given how many variants I’ve seen over the years to avoid a copyright, it seems a good choice. Even became well known for the name by people who didn’t understand it, like Jack Chick tract readers.

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          • zikeji@programming.devZ zikeji@programming.dev

            As someone who has played alot of Call of Cthulhu there is a distinct lack of Cthulhu. But I am presently playing Traveler and let me tell you something - there is A LOT of traveling.

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            Did anyone die in character creation?

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            • neatcheeN neatchee

              This implies the existence of incompetent dragons and I really want my DM to have us fight one

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              faythofdragons@slrpnk.net
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              • neatcheeN neatchee

                I’ve played a lot of D&D over the years. Hundreds of hours.

                But these so-called “dungeons”? No captives. Not even any cells. That’s not a dungeon. that’s a glorified cave.

                And don’t even get me started on the dragons. Dragonborn? Sure, I’ve seen plenty. Heard my fair share of Draconic. And wyverns are fairly common I suppose but that’s like pointing at all the dogs in the world and saying “we’re infested with wolves!”

                I’m beginning to feel like I’ve been lied to all this time.

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                lumisal@lemmy.world
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                You made me realize Balder’s Gate 3 does in fact contain ample dungeons and even multiple dragons.

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                • neatcheeN neatchee

                  I’ve played a lot of D&D over the years. Hundreds of hours.

                  But these so-called “dungeons”? No captives. Not even any cells. That’s not a dungeon. that’s a glorified cave.

                  And don’t even get me started on the dragons. Dragonborn? Sure, I’ve seen plenty. Heard my fair share of Draconic. And wyverns are fairly common I suppose but that’s like pointing at all the dogs in the world and saying “we’re infested with wolves!”

                  I’m beginning to feel like I’ve been lied to all this time.

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                  wrote last edited by kolanaki@pawb.social
                  #30

                  It really depends on who your DM is.

                  I have not yet played a campaign without either dungeons or dragons. A gold dragon is typically the one giving us quests, which requires delving into dungeons or we end up being captured and thrown in one by the BBG.

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                  • L lumisal@lemmy.world

                    You made me realize Balder’s Gate 3 does in fact contain ample dungeons and even multiple dragons.

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                    neatchee
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                    #31

                    Truly worthy of GotY

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                      It really depends on who your DM is.

                      I have not yet played a campaign without either dungeons or dragons. A gold dragon is typically the one giving us quests, which requires delving into dungeons or we end up being captured and thrown in one by the BBG.

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                      neatchee
                      wrote last edited by
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                      Protect that DM at all costs. They truly understand what it means to create a D&D campaign

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                      • neatcheeN neatchee

                        Protect that DM at all costs. They truly understand what it means to create a D&D campaign

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                        Oddly enough, they’re pretty much the only Steam friend I still have that reguarly comes online other than my sister. It’s the other 3 players that have fallen off the face of the earth that keeps us from playing again 😔

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                          Oddly enough, they’re pretty much the only Steam friend I still have that reguarly comes online other than my sister. It’s the other 3 players that have fallen off the face of the earth that keeps us from playing again 😔

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                          neatchee
                          wrote last edited by neatchee@piefed.social
                          #34

                          …ngl I’ve been looking for a campaign to join 0_o Just saying 😄

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                          • neatcheeN neatchee

                            I’ve played a lot of D&D over the years. Hundreds of hours.

                            But these so-called “dungeons”? No captives. Not even any cells. That’s not a dungeon. that’s a glorified cave.

                            And don’t even get me started on the dragons. Dragonborn? Sure, I’ve seen plenty. Heard my fair share of Draconic. And wyverns are fairly common I suppose but that’s like pointing at all the dogs in the world and saying “we’re infested with wolves!”

                            I’m beginning to feel like I’ve been lied to all this time.

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                            nocturne@slrpnk.net
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                            Dragon Delves exists, it is, I believe 12 different dragon focused adventures for levels 1-12.

                            I recently ran a group of high school kids through The Shattered Obelisk Phandelver and Below, which has a dragon in it. The group kept avoiding the area with it. I finally had it make an appearance to save their bacon.

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                            • neatcheeN neatchee

                              This implies the existence of incompetent dragons and I really want my DM to have us fight one

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                              wrote last edited by mesamunefire@piefed.social
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                              I play dragons like “vainqueur the dragon” aka very full of themselves and won’t actually listen to anything the players say. Its hilarious because its made to frustrate the players as much as possible. Getting a dragon to do anything is a monumental task.

                              MINNON!

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                              • G IndescribablySad@threads.net

                                We asked our DM to avoid using flying enemies after a dragon tpk’d us by breath weaponing and retreating for 30 rounds. Give me a tarasque before you even consider offering me a competent dragon

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                                quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
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                                That sounds like a job for Readied Actions!

                                (Our DM tried that with the dragon at the end of Icespire Peak, but fortunately my character had a spell that grounds flying enemies and it failed its save. Dragons aren’t nearly as bad when you know they’re coming and have an entire campaign to build your character towards fighting them. Surprise dragons are a nightmare though!)

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                                • G IndescribablySad@threads.net

                                  We asked our DM to avoid using flying enemies after a dragon tpk’d us by breath weaponing and retreating for 30 rounds. Give me a tarasque before you even consider offering me a competent dragon

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                                  skulblaka
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                                  Off the top of my head:

                                  • Cast Fly yourselves or purchase/acquire some boots of flying
                                  • Elemental resistance or immunity vs the element of dragon’s breath you expect to be meeting, from the Protection From Energy spell or from equippable gear
                                  • If you’re confident in your spell save DC, Hold Monster is a fun one to cast on any flying creatures
                                  • buy a bow and arrow
                                  • better yet, buy a ballista and a mule to tow it around
                                  • buy a couple dozen health potions that you chug furiously on the rounds that you aren’t being breath-attack-strafed
                                  • have the fighter make consecutive grapple checks to Los Tiburon the dragon into the fucking dirt

                                  There are a lot of ways to deal with this, you just have to get creative and maybe set yourselves a short side quest or two to acquire what you need for the real job. Half of the above suggestions can be accomplished by a single tactically minded cleric, and no arcane caster worth his salt isn’t going to know how to fly by level five, wizards that can’t fly generally don’t live very long and sorcerors that can’t fly don’t get laid.

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                                  • zikeji@programming.devZ zikeji@programming.dev

                                    As someone who has played alot of Call of Cthulhu there is a distinct lack of Cthulhu. But I am presently playing Traveler and let me tell you something - there is A LOT of traveling.

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                                    agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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                                    For a game called “GURPS” it certainly is a Generic Universal Role Playing System

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                                    • R rumschlumpel@feddit.org

                                      Dragons are pretty high level-threats in D&D, which most players rarely get to fight because most campaigns don’t last that long. Which does make it a bit weird to name the entire franchise after such a rare enemy.

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                                      Wugmeister
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                                      FYI: you can throw a dragon at any party at any time as a non-combat encounter or as a natural disaster they aren’t supposed to be able to fight or control

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                                      • neatcheeN neatchee

                                        …ngl I’ve been looking for a campaign to join 0_o Just saying 😄

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                                        burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
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                                        Just saying twice over, for good effect, you know?

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                                        • neatcheeN neatchee

                                          I’ve played a lot of D&D over the years. Hundreds of hours.

                                          But these so-called “dungeons”? No captives. Not even any cells. That’s not a dungeon. that’s a glorified cave.

                                          And don’t even get me started on the dragons. Dragonborn? Sure, I’ve seen plenty. Heard my fair share of Draconic. And wyverns are fairly common I suppose but that’s like pointing at all the dogs in the world and saying “we’re infested with wolves!”

                                          I’m beginning to feel like I’ve been lied to all this time.

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                                          _NetNomad
                                          wrote last edited by _netnomad@fedia.io
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                                          But these so-called “dungeons”? No captives. Not even any cells. That’s not a dungeon. that’s a glorified cave.

                                          I’ve always wondered how the term “dungeon” as it’s used in RPGs came to be. a lot of appendix N literature had locations we would now consider dungeons, but were they called that at the time? and then the first RPG dungeon was the literal dungeon under Blackmoor Castle, but very early on we had dungeons that stopped being literal dungeons- didn’t B1 and B2 exclusively have cave “dungeons?” and the Ruined Tower of Zenopus in the first Basic book had underground portions but I think those were caves too!

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