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YongYea; Execs Stupidly Claim Steam Has A Monopoly And Get Mocked...

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  • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

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    Lvxferre [he/him]
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    TL;DW: execs assume monopoly from market dominance, without taking into account other stores could contest said market dominance.

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    • Lvxferre [he/him]L Lvxferre [he/him]

      TL;DW: execs assume monopoly from market dominance, without taking into account other stores could contest said market dominance.

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      barrington@feddit.org
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      #4

      It literally could have been a 2 minute video. Not sure why they dragged it out for 10 minutes saying the same thing over and over.

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      • B barrington@feddit.org

        It literally could have been a 2 minute video. Not sure why they dragged it out for 10 minutes saying the same thing over and over.

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        malix@sopuli.xyz
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        afaik youtube promotes you more based on viewed minutes. So longer viewing per video -> more pushing to frontpage.

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        • A artyom

          It’s not stupid. Monopoly does not mean there’s no competition. Google has been legally declared a monopoly and they have tons of competition.

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          snooggums
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          Technically a monopoly means that a singular entity has or produces all of something. So to meet the definition of a monopoly they would have to have 100% market share.

          Google was declared a monopoly in practice because they were using their market dominance to negatively impact other companies despite not having 100% market share like Microsoft and a bunch of other companies before them. That was about being so dominant and abusing it that action will be taken to keep them from becoming a literal monopoly.

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          • S snooggums

            Technically a monopoly means that a singular entity has or produces all of something. So to meet the definition of a monopoly they would have to have 100% market share.

            Google was declared a monopoly in practice because they were using their market dominance to negatively impact other companies despite not having 100% market share like Microsoft and a bunch of other companies before them. That was about being so dominant and abusing it that action will be taken to keep them from becoming a literal monopoly.

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            artyom
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            Maybe “technically”, but not practice or in law. Google was not being prevented from becoming a monopoly, they were declared a monopoly.

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            • A artyom

              Maybe “technically”, but not practice or in law. Google was not being prevented from becoming a monopoly, they were declared a monopoly.

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              snooggums
              wrote last edited by snooggums@piefed.world
              #8

              Technically but not technically…

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              • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

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                graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip
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                Given how anti capitalist Lenny is purported to be I’m surprised how vehemently valve gets defended. There’s no good billionaire

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                • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

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                  kbal
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                  It’s true though, Steam has a monopoly on Steam games.

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                  • S snooggums

                    Technically a monopoly means that a singular entity has or produces all of something. So to meet the definition of a monopoly they would have to have 100% market share.

                    Google was declared a monopoly in practice because they were using their market dominance to negatively impact other companies despite not having 100% market share like Microsoft and a bunch of other companies before them. That was about being so dominant and abusing it that action will be taken to keep them from becoming a literal monopoly.

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                    dukemirage@lemmy.world
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                    alright then Valve uses their market dominance to negatively impact other companies, much better

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                    • D dukemirage@lemmy.world

                      alright then Valve uses their market dominance to negatively impact other companies, much better

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                      snooggums
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                      Except they don’t do that, which is what separates valve from nearly every other comparable company with a massive market share.

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                      • S snooggums

                        Technically but not technically…

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                        artyom
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                        Depends on the context.

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                          A very “gamer” headline and title card. Not in a good way.

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                            monkdervierte@lemmy.zip
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                            Not on games per se but almost on mods. Yes, there are other platforms, but the majory and newest are on Workshop. And they make it hard to download them, if you don’t own the game on Steam (and Valve has it in their terms that they own the mods hosted on Workshop).

                            So one could argue that they use the indirect peer-pressure approach to market dominance, similiar to Google on Android.

                            I wouldn’t complain if they just had a “Download” button on their web version. But they don’t, you have to use the finicky steamcmd intended for server administration.

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                              snooggums
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                              Steam does not limit games to only steam.

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                              • A artyom

                                It’s not stupid. Monopoly does not mean there’s no competition. Google has been legally declared a monopoly and they have tons of competition.

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                                organicmustard@lemmy.world
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                                Yeah, that difference in market share could be used to declare Steam a monopoly. For devs it means they have to publish their games there and accept that Steam will take 30% ofthe revenue.

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                                • M monkdervierte@lemmy.zip

                                  Not on games per se but almost on mods. Yes, there are other platforms, but the majory and newest are on Workshop. And they make it hard to download them, if you don’t own the game on Steam (and Valve has it in their terms that they own the mods hosted on Workshop).

                                  So one could argue that they use the indirect peer-pressure approach to market dominance, similiar to Google on Android.

                                  I wouldn’t complain if they just had a “Download” button on their web version. But they don’t, you have to use the finicky steamcmd intended for server administration.

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                                  inzen@lemmy.world
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                                  Keeping in mind Valve is a for profit company. Why would they host anything that adds extra bandwith cost and does not increase revenue on their platform? Alternative “appstores” on Android are not hosted by Google, as far as I know.

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                                  • M monkdervierte@lemmy.zip

                                    Not on games per se but almost on mods. Yes, there are other platforms, but the majory and newest are on Workshop. And they make it hard to download them, if you don’t own the game on Steam (and Valve has it in their terms that they own the mods hosted on Workshop).

                                    So one could argue that they use the indirect peer-pressure approach to market dominance, similiar to Google on Android.

                                    I wouldn’t complain if they just had a “Download” button on their web version. But they don’t, you have to use the finicky steamcmd intended for server administration.

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                                    spacepirate@lemmy.ml
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                                    “Almost” a monopoly, by definition, is not a monopoly. Your concerns are valid, but there are legal ramifications associated with these terms.

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                                    • D dukemirage@lemmy.world

                                      alright then Valve uses their market dominance to negatively impact other companies, much better

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                                      tattorack@lemmy.world
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                                      They literally never went a millimeter out of their way to negatively impact another competing storefront.

                                      Valve’s success can be almost summed up as “does nothing, wins” because the competition to steam has been piss poor.

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                                      • B barrington@feddit.org

                                        It literally could have been a 2 minute video. Not sure why they dragged it out for 10 minutes saying the same thing over and over.

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                                        tattorack@lemmy.world
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                                        YongYea has habit of first going over all the opinions and written stuff in articles before giving his own opinions and conclusions. It’s… Just the way he does things. Some people consider that an in-depth overview.

                                        I think it’s… Alright. I usually don’t finish watching his vids when I get the point.

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                                        • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

                                          Given how anti capitalist Lenny is purported to be I’m surprised how vehemently valve gets defended. There’s no good billionaire

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                                          tattorack@lemmy.world
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                                          Oh there’s plenty said about Valve, like their dirty skin gambling underbelly.

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