In context, defeating the privacy exposure of requiring to use CC details would be by getting an anonymous credit card, which in most countries are now either very difficult to obtain or simply no longer offered (outlawed).

Hope that helps.

(Edit: spelllering)

For anything, is my understanding. If they try to open it, they’re just represented with a “server full” notification.

Only the person who creates the room have to pay or everyone who want to join a room that is bigger than the limit?

Whoever hosts the server

Yeah honestly. Running the teamspeak server executable is hardly selfhosting, and they’re just another closed source proprietary service. Cool they’re still around after all these years I guess but they shouldn’t even be considered as a migration option.

Stoat and Fluxer are both open source, very straightforward and familiar, and I believe self-hostable. Much easier for casual users than Matrix too.

I’m unsure what is difficult about Matrix.

I’ve had several “casual” friends register and join my space on their own.

That’s 32 connected users to voice, not total server users isn’t it?

I don’t know. They call them “slots” without elaborating and tell you to contact them for more details.

It is the same effectiveness of scanning an ID since that could also be their parent’s.

The point of scanning the ID is (supposedly) to verify the age of the user, not their parents.

Using a credit card or an ID are both just using a physical item to ‘verify’ an age of someone who may or may not be that person. Getting a credit card has a minimum age, so the end goal of age ‘verification’ is met either way although the ID has way more personally identifiable information like skin color, actual birth date, gender, etc.

It isn’t like scanning an ID verifies that the person scanning the ID is the person on the computer.

Getting a credit card has a minimum age

Not true, anyone can become a “verified user” on another’s account. That’s what my parents did when I was a kid.

• Signup can be tricky.
• Managing your encryption keys is tricky for normal people (I know someone who signed up for it on incognito because they weren’t sure about it yet then got a bunch of confusing popups when they signed on with their phone).
• Room organization is missing a layer used on discord (server->room instead of list of rooms) leading to confusing moderation structures and nearly required manual organization of rooms if you’re in more than 10.
• notifications rules can be obtuse.
• having different commands based on the clients used can lead to confusion.
• most clients have security related popups that just confuse people (This person reset their identity!).
• people can struggle with how to properly interact over federation, much like in the fediverse
• screensharing tools just aren’t there yet

Things have been getting better fast for matrix, but its just not ready for the masses IMO. I still suggest it when I can when the use case makes sense.

You are a verified user for their account. That is literally using their card with extra steps.

Also, there is frequently an age 13 requirement to be an authorized user which would count for everything except porn.

Correct. 32 people connected to voice simultaneously, but there isn’t persistent text chat. So really, only 32 users at a time, at all. The lack of text made me set up a Matrix homeserver instead.

You are a verified user for their account.

Right, which is different from the user’s account, and thus does not verify their age.

there is frequently an age 13 requirement to be an authorized user which would count for everything except porn.

Discord doesn’t have a 13 age group. It’s just adults and children.

Stoat, both its app and website refuse to open on my mobile data. I doubt it’s only happening to me. Teamspeak at least lets people host and have control of their own servers.

Weird it works perfectly fine on my mobile data.

Yeah, I get “address not found” regardless of browser. I’ll probably be keeping a closer eye on fluxer.