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Study finds bullies have more children than non-bullies

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  • G godiganbabay@ponder.cat

    My guesses are that there ate multiple factors at play:

    • less educated people make more kids
    • "nice guys finish last" - assertive and more socially active people are more likely to find a partner and make children
    • forcing others to follow perceived social dynamics means internal pressure to follow them oneself; having children is a social norm and expectation that is expected to be followed

    I'd try and look for papers to see if my guesses hold any water, but time eludes me.

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    happyskullsplitter@lemmy.world
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    We have 5 children, I was unaware that we are such terrible stupid people.

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      We have 5 children, I was unaware that we are such terrible stupid people.

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      beardsley@lemmy.world
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      Damn, sorry you had to find out like this fam.

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      • B beardsley@lemmy.world

        Damn, sorry you had to find out like this fam.

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        happyskullsplitter@lemmy.world
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        My whole day is ruined

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        • G godiganbabay@ponder.cat

          I didn't change the title, but without access to the original article, it seems like a correlation not causation.

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          dumnezero
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          Is this evopsych bullshit?

          "This study shows us that bullying seems to be associated with some meaningful outcomes that help explain why kids do it," Volk says. "This isn't just 'broken kids' doing bad behavior; it's getting them important things that matter."

          Yeah, same as bandits.

          Volk says the results support the idea that adolescent bullying is, at least in part, an evolutionary adaptation that may help individuals pass on their genes to future generations.

          Yep, evopsych bullshit.

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          • G godiganbabay@ponder.cat

            My guesses are that there ate multiple factors at play:

            • less educated people make more kids
            • "nice guys finish last" - assertive and more socially active people are more likely to find a partner and make children
            • forcing others to follow perceived social dynamics means internal pressure to follow them oneself; having children is a social norm and expectation that is expected to be followed

            I'd try and look for papers to see if my guesses hold any water, but time eludes me.

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            Khrux
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            I think being assertive and more socially active meaning you're more likely to be a bully is a bit of a myth. Although the cliché school or work bully may be assertive and socially active, there are many unpopular and awkward people who bully those around them, and it just goes unnoticed.

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            • H happyskullsplitter@lemmy.world

              My whole day is ruined

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              blue_morpho@lemmy.world
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              Stop bullying him!

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              • G godiganbabay@ponder.cat

                My guesses are that there ate multiple factors at play:

                • less educated people make more kids
                • "nice guys finish last" - assertive and more socially active people are more likely to find a partner and make children
                • forcing others to follow perceived social dynamics means internal pressure to follow them oneself; having children is a social norm and expectation that is expected to be followed

                I'd try and look for papers to see if my guesses hold any water, but time eludes me.

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                sunzu2
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                #10

                having children is a social norm and expectation that is expected to be followed

                Global Fertility rates tell a different story

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                • dumnezeroD dumnezero

                  Is this evopsych bullshit?

                  "This study shows us that bullying seems to be associated with some meaningful outcomes that help explain why kids do it," Volk says. "This isn't just 'broken kids' doing bad behavior; it's getting them important things that matter."

                  Yeah, same as bandits.

                  Volk says the results support the idea that adolescent bullying is, at least in part, an evolutionary adaptation that may help individuals pass on their genes to future generations.

                  Yep, evopsych bullshit.

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                  aboubenadhem@lemmy.world
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                  At least they managed to avoid mentioning “modules”.

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                  • B blue_morpho@lemmy.world

                    Stop bullying him!

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                    happyskullsplitter@lemmy.world
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                    #12

                    Help me, science!

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                    • K Khrux

                      I think being assertive and more socially active meaning you're more likely to be a bully is a bit of a myth. Although the cliché school or work bully may be assertive and socially active, there are many unpopular and awkward people who bully those around them, and it just goes unnoticed.

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                      godiganbabay@ponder.cat
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                      I think being assertive and more socially active meaning you're more likely to be a bully is a bit of a myth.

                      You are reversing the implication that I'm guessing 😉

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                      • dumnezeroD dumnezero

                        Is this evopsych bullshit?

                        "This study shows us that bullying seems to be associated with some meaningful outcomes that help explain why kids do it," Volk says. "This isn't just 'broken kids' doing bad behavior; it's getting them important things that matter."

                        Yeah, same as bandits.

                        Volk says the results support the idea that adolescent bullying is, at least in part, an evolutionary adaptation that may help individuals pass on their genes to future generations.

                        Yep, evopsych bullshit.

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                        godiganbabay@ponder.cat
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                        Wouldn't surprise me. Unfortunately the study is behind a paywall.

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                        • H happyskullsplitter@lemmy.world

                          We have 5 children, I was unaware that we are such terrible stupid people.

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                          godiganbabay@ponder.cat
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                          Have you not had your morning coffee yet? 😄 The study purports that bullies have more kids, not that people with more kids were/are bullies. It investigated the relation in one single direction, not both.

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                          • B blue_morpho@lemmy.world

                            Stop bullying him!

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                            southsamurai
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                            Is doctor girlfriend okay?

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                            • G godiganbabay@ponder.cat

                              My guesses are that there ate multiple factors at play:

                              • less educated people make more kids
                              • "nice guys finish last" - assertive and more socially active people are more likely to find a partner and make children
                              • forcing others to follow perceived social dynamics means internal pressure to follow them oneself; having children is a social norm and expectation that is expected to be followed

                              I'd try and look for papers to see if my guesses hold any water, but time eludes me.

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                              trickdacy@lemmy.world
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                              Rapists are definitely bullies also.

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                              • G godiganbabay@ponder.cat

                                I didn't change the title, but without access to the original article, it seems like a correlation not causation.

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                                septimaeus@infosec.pub
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                                Each has a strong inverse relationship with socioeconomics.

                                ::: spoiler Note
                                I am not saying being poor makes a kid a bully. My parent was poor and I only ever bullied bullies (and stopped when they stopped).

                                It’s just a nondescript statistical relationship. As to why it exists, I don’t know. My guess is greater baseline stress, less emotional support, and higher chance of domestic violence.
                                :::

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                                • H happyskullsplitter@lemmy.world

                                  We have 5 children, I was unaware that we are such terrible stupid people.

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                                  NoneOfUrBusiness
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                                  Daily reminder that correlation isn't all or nothing.

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                                  • southsamuraiS southsamurai

                                    Is doctor girlfriend okay?

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                                    blue_morpho@lemmy.world
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                                    Is that the villainess with whom my son has been carousing about?

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                                    • N NoneOfUrBusiness

                                      Daily reminder that correlation isn't all or nothing.

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                                      happyskullsplitter@lemmy.world
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                                      Daily reminder for me not to forget the sarcasm tag

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                                      • S sunzu2

                                        having children is a social norm and expectation that is expected to be followed

                                        Global Fertility rates tell a different story

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                                        dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
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                                        No, it doesn’t. At all. Having children is definitely the norm, with the average woman having over 2 children across the world right now.

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                                        • G godiganbabay@ponder.cat

                                          I didn't change the title, but without access to the original article, it seems like a correlation not causation.

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                                          contramuffin@lemmy.world
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                                          The study seems to mention that the bullies have children at an earlier age. I'd be willing to guess that the relation between having more children and bullying is purely correlative and has no direct impact. Instead, it seems significantly more likely that impulsiveness drives both bullying behavior and unsafe sex, which then leads to more children.

                                          It seems somewhat odd to me that, instead of addressing possible mechanisms of this correlation, the authors talk about how bullying is an evolutionary trait to pass on genes.

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