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Study finds bullies have more children than non-bullies

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  • H happyskullsplitter@lemmy.world

    We have 5 children, I was unaware that we are such terrible stupid people.

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    godiganbabay@ponder.cat
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    Have you not had your morning coffee yet? 😄 The study purports that bullies have more kids, not that people with more kids were/are bullies. It investigated the relation in one single direction, not both.

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    • B blue_morpho@lemmy.world

      Stop bullying him!

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      southsamurai
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      #16

      Is doctor girlfriend okay?

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      • G godiganbabay@ponder.cat

        My guesses are that there ate multiple factors at play:

        • less educated people make more kids
        • "nice guys finish last" - assertive and more socially active people are more likely to find a partner and make children
        • forcing others to follow perceived social dynamics means internal pressure to follow them oneself; having children is a social norm and expectation that is expected to be followed

        I'd try and look for papers to see if my guesses hold any water, but time eludes me.

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        trickdacy@lemmy.world
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        Rapists are definitely bullies also.

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        • G godiganbabay@ponder.cat

          I didn't change the title, but without access to the original article, it seems like a correlation not causation.

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          septimaeus@infosec.pub
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          Each has a strong inverse relationship with socioeconomics.

          ::: spoiler Note
          I am not saying being poor makes a kid a bully. My parent was poor and I only ever bullied bullies (and stopped when they stopped).

          It’s just a nondescript statistical relationship. As to why it exists, I don’t know. My guess is greater baseline stress, less emotional support, and higher chance of domestic violence.
          :::

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          • H happyskullsplitter@lemmy.world

            We have 5 children, I was unaware that we are such terrible stupid people.

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            NoneOfUrBusiness
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            Daily reminder that correlation isn't all or nothing.

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            • southsamuraiS southsamurai

              Is doctor girlfriend okay?

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              blue_morpho@lemmy.world
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              Is that the villainess with whom my son has been carousing about?

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              • N NoneOfUrBusiness

                Daily reminder that correlation isn't all or nothing.

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                happyskullsplitter@lemmy.world
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                Daily reminder for me not to forget the sarcasm tag

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                • S sunzu2

                  having children is a social norm and expectation that is expected to be followed

                  Global Fertility rates tell a different story

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                  dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml
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                  No, it doesn’t. At all. Having children is definitely the norm, with the average woman having over 2 children across the world right now.

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                  • G godiganbabay@ponder.cat

                    I didn't change the title, but without access to the original article, it seems like a correlation not causation.

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                    contramuffin@lemmy.world
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                    The study seems to mention that the bullies have children at an earlier age. I'd be willing to guess that the relation between having more children and bullying is purely correlative and has no direct impact. Instead, it seems significantly more likely that impulsiveness drives both bullying behavior and unsafe sex, which then leads to more children.

                    It seems somewhat odd to me that, instead of addressing possible mechanisms of this correlation, the authors talk about how bullying is an evolutionary trait to pass on genes.

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                    • C contramuffin@lemmy.world

                      The study seems to mention that the bullies have children at an earlier age. I'd be willing to guess that the relation between having more children and bullying is purely correlative and has no direct impact. Instead, it seems significantly more likely that impulsiveness drives both bullying behavior and unsafe sex, which then leads to more children.

                      It seems somewhat odd to me that, instead of addressing possible mechanisms of this correlation, the authors talk about how bullying is an evolutionary trait to pass on genes.

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                      godiganbabay@ponder.cat
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                      It seems somewhat odd to me that, instead of addressing possible mechanisms of this correlation, the authors talk about how bullying is an evolutionary trait to pass on genes.

                      Yeah, that's why I want to get my hands on the study. Maybe the authors did consider that but the article is misrepresenting the study.

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                      • dumnezeroD dumnezero

                        Is this evopsych bullshit?

                        "This study shows us that bullying seems to be associated with some meaningful outcomes that help explain why kids do it," Volk says. "This isn't just 'broken kids' doing bad behavior; it's getting them important things that matter."

                        Yeah, same as bandits.

                        Volk says the results support the idea that adolescent bullying is, at least in part, an evolutionary adaptation that may help individuals pass on their genes to future generations.

                        Yep, evopsych bullshit.

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                        swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
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                        calling this evopsych is like calling freud the father of psychology

                        this is just them saying something that they like the sound of, humans are fundamentally an extremely social species and there are way more things that go into passing on our genes than just having kids; being celibate and just raising the kids of your siblings is more efficient at spreading your genes.

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