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You might need to put up some signs in Chicago that say "All Federal ICE and Law Enforcement agents must be clearly identifiable and may not cover their faces."

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  • myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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    You might need to put up some signs in Chicago that say "All Federal ICE and Law Enforcement agents must be clearly identifiable and may not cover their faces."

    The reason for the sign is if you want to enforce that, which you will need to do a few times or it has no meaning you need a sign to point to.

    It should be a metal sign.

    And you need a clear plan for what happens when you do.

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    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

      You might need to put up some signs in Chicago that say "All Federal ICE and Law Enforcement agents must be clearly identifiable and may not cover their faces."

      The reason for the sign is if you want to enforce that, which you will need to do a few times or it has no meaning you need a sign to point to.

      It should be a metal sign.

      And you need a clear plan for what happens when you do.

      myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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      Are we really doing this?

      You'll need to have your local law enforcement practice what they will do.

      I would think something like not allowing anyone who isn't following the rule to proceed would be sufficient. Hopefully they will not really want to get in a fight with local PD.

      But if they do? What will you do exactly?

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      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

        Are we really doing this?

        You'll need to have your local law enforcement practice what they will do.

        I would think something like not allowing anyone who isn't following the rule to proceed would be sufficient. Hopefully they will not really want to get in a fight with local PD.

        But if they do? What will you do exactly?

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        @futurebird

        I often believe that a good strategy for local PD forces would be to insist on escorting ICE (for public safety). They would proceed with full lights and sirens at a reasonable pace so as not to endanger the population with any reckless driving.

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          @futurebird

          I often believe that a good strategy for local PD forces would be to insist on escorting ICE (for public safety). They would proceed with full lights and sirens at a reasonable pace so as not to endanger the population with any reckless driving.

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          @jrconlin

          This is an excellent idea that meets the challenge and minimizes conflict and embarrassment.

          If they are really going to do this the local PDs need to practice. If I were a Chicago resident I would:

          1. call my local precinct and whilst burying my deep dislike of police
          2. first praise the Mayor's statement, gush about how much safer you feel.
          3. Freak out about how scary it all is.
          4. Ask how they are preparing to ensure the rules are followed.

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            @jrconlin

            This is an excellent idea that meets the challenge and minimizes conflict and embarrassment.

            If they are really going to do this the local PDs need to practice. If I were a Chicago resident I would:

            1. call my local precinct and whilst burying my deep dislike of police
            2. first praise the Mayor's statement, gush about how much safer you feel.
            3. Freak out about how scary it all is.
            4. Ask how they are preparing to ensure the rules are followed.

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            @jrconlin

            This may be more effective if you sound like a white woman on the phone or can show up and do this as a white woman in person.

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              @jrconlin

              This may be more effective if you sound like a white woman on the phone or can show up and do this as a white woman in person.

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              @jrconlin

              What is more important here is that all these law enforcement guys talk to each other. If word gets out that CPD is doing training or even just getting calls when ICE shows up they will be more likely to follow the rules.

              I'm very concerned they will ignore them and say "what are you going to do?"

              If Chicago wants to assert autonomy it is critical that these rules are respected.

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                @jrconlin

                What is more important here is that all these law enforcement guys talk to each other. If word gets out that CPD is doing training or even just getting calls when ICE shows up they will be more likely to follow the rules.

                I'm very concerned they will ignore them and say "what are you going to do?"

                If Chicago wants to assert autonomy it is critical that these rules are respected.

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                @jrconlin

                I don't think the leadership in ICE will tell them they can ignore the rules, but they may make it clear that it is "up to discretion" or some nonsense if they keep hiding their identities or not.

                Let's not forget why they are hiding: it's because they are doing shameful work, often incompetently, violently and alienating and disappointing the public.

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                  @jrconlin

                  I don't think the leadership in ICE will tell them they can ignore the rules, but they may make it clear that it is "up to discretion" or some nonsense if they keep hiding their identities or not.

                  Let's not forget why they are hiding: it's because they are doing shameful work, often incompetently, violently and alienating and disappointing the public.

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                  @jrconlin

                  There have been some interviews that show ICE officers find the job demoralizing. More experienced officers miss going after "more important" cases where the people they were picking up were more likely to be...well criminals. They used to feel like they were doing something positive and now they don't. But those cases didn't generate enough detentions. Easier to sweep up innocent people.

                  Having people yell at you while you do your job is very depressing. Keep it coming.

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