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Valve Responds To Steam Machine's HDMI 2.1 Display Support Controversy [HW support is there, but "The HDMI forum" doesn’t allow with OpenSource drivers]

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  • S stoy@lemmy.zip

    HDMI requires a license cost, DisplayPort is free.

    What advantage does HDMI hold over DisplayPort?

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    NickeeCoco
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    #8

    No real technical advantage; it’s just owned by the same shitbags that dominate the TV market, so it’s the only way to connect to a lot of consumer living-room displays

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    • N NickeeCoco

      No real technical advantage; it’s just owned by the same shitbags that dominate the TV market, so it’s the only way to connect to a lot of consumer living-room displays

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      sat@lemmynsfw.com
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      #9

      This is the problem. I would switch to DP instantly but my TV only has HDMI ports.

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      • opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.deO opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de

        “We need to develop a one universal standard that covers everyone’s use cases.”

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        D1re_W0lf
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        #10

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        • S sat@lemmynsfw.com

          This is the problem. I would switch to DP instantly but my TV only has HDMI ports.

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          This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥
          wrote on last edited by
          #11

          There are DisplayPort to HDMI converters available

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            kbal
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            HDMI Forum Rejects Open-Source HDMI 2.1 Driver Support Sought By AMD

            One of the limitations of AMD's open-source Linux graphics driver has been the inability to implement HDMI 2.1+ functionality on the basis of legal requirements by the HDMI Forum

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            It’s pretty weird that this organization that exists only to extract rents from people who want to use hdmi remains unwilling to do so even for a customer as large as Valve. I wonder who has given them the motivation for it, and how much it cost them.

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            • S stoy@lemmy.zip

              HDMI requires a license cost, DisplayPort is free.

              What advantage does HDMI hold over DisplayPort?

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              sendmephotos@lemmy.world
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              #13

              Omg is this seriously it??

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              • opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.deO opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de

                “We need to develop a one universal standard that covers everyone’s use cases.”

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                bradleyuffner@lemmy.world
                wrote on last edited by bradleyuffner@lemmy.world
                #14

                The use case of “make a shit ton of money licensing a proprietary standard” is kind of mutually exclusive with other use cases. It would be hard to cover.

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                  opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #15

                  At least one person got the joke. 😁

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                  • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥T This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥

                    There are DisplayPort to HDMI converters available

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                    woelkchen@lemmy.world
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                    #16

                    Pretty sure DRMed content refuses to play on those.

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                      There are DisplayPort to HDMI converters available

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                      plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works
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                      #17

                      Latency, desync, probably can’t do full 4k/120… just because something exists doesn’t mean it’s a viable solution.

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                      • N NickeeCoco

                        No real technical advantage; it’s just owned by the same shitbags that dominate the TV market, so it’s the only way to connect to a lot of consumer living-room displays

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                        fascicle@leminal.space
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                        #18

                        Display port to HDMI cables are pretty good

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                          opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de
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                          #19

                          Their motivation is staying away from open platforms, and protecting their members’ IP rights. Gotta thwart those pirates.

                          AMD is nearly 100x the size of Valve, and they couldn’t get HDMI 2.1 approval on Linux. Nvidia somewhat has it with their proprietary drivers, but not nouveau.

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                            evil_shrubbery@lemmy.zip
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                            It’s wild how much we flock around such shitty standards all the time, generation after generation.

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                            • S stoy@lemmy.zip

                              HDMI requires a license cost, DisplayPort is free.

                              What advantage does HDMI hold over DisplayPort?

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                              localhorst86@feddit.org
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                              #21

                              My guess is TV compatibility. The steam machine is intended as a living room PC, connected to your TV. Most TVs only have HDMI, no DP.

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                              • opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.deO opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de

                                Their motivation is staying away from open platforms, and protecting their members’ IP rights. Gotta thwart those pirates.

                                AMD is nearly 100x the size of Valve, and they couldn’t get HDMI 2.1 approval on Linux. Nvidia somewhat has it with their proprietary drivers, but not nouveau.

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                                kbal
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                                They’re not fucking with AMD and Valve just because they spontaneously developed an irrational hatred of partly-open platforms. Somebody has persuaded them that they have a financial incentive to do it.

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                                • S sendmephotos@lemmy.world

                                  Omg is this seriously it??

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                                  atrielienz@lemmy.world
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #23

                                  Yeah pretty much. Display port is just as good but there aren’t really a lot of TVs on the market with display port because the people who own the HDMI standard are in that industry.

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                                  • S stoy@lemmy.zip

                                    HDMI requires a license cost, DisplayPort is free.

                                    What advantage does HDMI hold over DisplayPort?

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                                    Godort
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                                    #24

                                    I don’t think you can send audio over DisplayPort

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                                    • E evil_shrubbery@lemmy.zip

                                      It’s wild how much we flock around such shitty standards all the time, generation after generation.

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                                      greybeard
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                                      #25

                                      We don’t flock to it, they are forced upon us. Finding TVs that support DP is almost impossible.

                                      One of the biggest problems is that shitty standards use the money they get from licensing the standard to push the standard. Good open standards often don’t have a marketing budget to play with. On top of that, shitty standards can make unrealistic promises to gain an advantage. Like HDMI does with DRM. “If every device uses this standard, piracy will be a thing of the past!”

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                                      • opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.deO opticalmoose@discuss.tchncs.de

                                        “We need to develop a one universal standard that covers everyone’s use cases.”

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                                        renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net
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                                        #26

                                        It exists. It’s Display Port.

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                                        • woelkchen@lemmy.worldW woelkchen@lemmy.world

                                          Pretty sure DRMed content refuses to play on those.

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                                          This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥
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                                          #27

                                          🏴‍☠️ Well 🏴‍☠️ I 🏴‍☠️ don’t 🏴‍☠️ care 🏴‍☠️

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