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Microsoft responds to Gaming Copilot controversy, says it uses screenshots to understand in-game events, not for training AI models — optional feature can be turned off, but not easily uninstalled

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  • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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    msage@programming.dev
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    Lol.

    Lmao, even.

    Whoever believes a single word that company says?

    Like why are we as a society normalizing lying about everything? “Marketing”, “Public relations”, even “Politics”. All of which are ultimately pointless, as we don’t need to keep buying shit, think better of corporations, and argue about same three questions over and over again.

    Which is to say, fuck Microsoft. And everything they do. Yes, EVERYTHING. Including the open-source stuff. We need to break down big companies into much smaller ones.

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      You can restrict network access to the VM and still do normal network stuff on the host machine, for one thing.

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      artyom
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      You can restrict access to your entire network.

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        • Using Windows Virtual Machine for explicitly few programs (less than 2 ideally)
        • Able to be shut off at any time (or wiped/remade completely)
        • Ran in a VM for complete network security
        • If cracked, software can be ran in the VM completely offline
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        artyom
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        #30

        Using Windows Virtual Machine for explicitly few programs (less than 2 ideally)

        That goes for normal Windows.

        Able to be shut off at any time (or wiped/remade completely)

        Normal Windows

        Ran in a VM for complete network security

        How does running it in a VM improve network security?

        If cracked, software can be ran in the VM completely offline

        Normal Windows 1 more time.

        All the things you can do in a VM you can do running Windows normally.

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        • rustyshackleford@lemmy.zipR rustyshackleford@lemmy.zip

          Any other suggestions for Windows 11 users that haven’t had to use it since 8? I want to kill as much of their garbage as possible, but I feel like I missed so much of their dastardly crap I could be missing something.

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          rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works
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          #31

          I just said fuckit and ran an exe called CrapFIxer. Not going to link it because I have no idea if it’s actually safe but I ran it on August 19th and my gaming PC doesn’t seem to be part of a bot network… yet.

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            Using Windows Virtual Machine for explicitly few programs (less than 2 ideally)

            That goes for normal Windows.

            Able to be shut off at any time (or wiped/remade completely)

            Normal Windows

            Ran in a VM for complete network security

            How does running it in a VM improve network security?

            If cracked, software can be ran in the VM completely offline

            Normal Windows 1 more time.

            All the things you can do in a VM you can do running Windows normally.

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            truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            Man, you must be fun at parties.

            • No dual boot needed, can use Linux exclusive programs and have data stored outside of the VM for easy access
            • Able to take advantage of the performance improvements of using Linux as your daily driver compared to Windows (most notably lower memory usage)
            • Not barred by Windows 11’s requirements (largely irrelevant for the software you want to use this with, but it’s a factor)

            Also two things, since I’m confused on if you’re playing coy or are just in a contrarian mood:

            • Yes, all of the functions inside the VM can be achieved with a standard Windows install. However, we are looking at this situation through the lens of a user who wants to use Linux with access to their Windows programs that throw roadblocks (AKA the original commenter of this comment train)

            • Regarding network security, the advantage of not using Windows as your main operating system is that you have a stable, secure baseline, without any fears of unwanted telemetry or addons included in the package (such as copilot). You can debloat windows, but you can never be truly sure that those issues won’t return in the next update or are fully disabled. With a VM that’s not running… well, it’s not running. Not connected to the internet.

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              Man, you must be fun at parties.

              • No dual boot needed, can use Linux exclusive programs and have data stored outside of the VM for easy access
              • Able to take advantage of the performance improvements of using Linux as your daily driver compared to Windows (most notably lower memory usage)
              • Not barred by Windows 11’s requirements (largely irrelevant for the software you want to use this with, but it’s a factor)

              Also two things, since I’m confused on if you’re playing coy or are just in a contrarian mood:

              • Yes, all of the functions inside the VM can be achieved with a standard Windows install. However, we are looking at this situation through the lens of a user who wants to use Linux with access to their Windows programs that throw roadblocks (AKA the original commenter of this comment train)

              • Regarding network security, the advantage of not using Windows as your main operating system is that you have a stable, secure baseline, without any fears of unwanted telemetry or addons included in the package (such as copilot). You can debloat windows, but you can never be truly sure that those issues won’t return in the next update or are fully disabled. With a VM that’s not running… well, it’s not running. Not connected to the internet.

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              artyom
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              #33

              Man you must recycle jokes at parties.

              No dual boot needed, can use Linux exclusive programs and have data stored outside of the VM for easy access

              Yes but if you dual boot there’s no VM needed LOL

              I just can’t possibly comprehend why you would prefer that when dual booting is so much simpler…

              Able to take advantage of the performance improvements of using Linux as your daily driver compared to Windows (most notably lower memory usage)

              So you mean to tell me running Windows inside of Linux uses less RAM than just Windows? How does that work?

              Not barred by Windows 11’s requirements

              I mean you can get around that using Rufus easy enough (I’m told).

              we are looking at this situation through the lens of a user who wants to use Linux with access to their Windows programs

              But why?

              the advantage of not using Windows as your main operating system is that you have a stable, secure baseline, without any fears of unwanted telemetry or addons

              I’m not sure you understand how a VM works. There’s nothing about a VM that removes telemetry or add-ons from Windows…

              And who said anything about a “main operating system”? Linux can still be your “main”.

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                ohlaph@lemmy.world
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                MicroShaft is the epitome of terrible, evil companies.

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                • rustyshackleford@lemmy.zipR rustyshackleford@lemmy.zip

                  Any other suggestions for Windows 11 users that haven’t had to use it since 8? I want to kill as much of their garbage as possible, but I feel like I missed so much of their dastardly crap I could be missing something.

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                  pyr0ball@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  #35

                  If you have the ability to set up and run a powershell script and flash an iso, check out tiny11

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                  GitHub - ntdevlabs/tiny11builder: Scripts to build a trimmed-down Windows 11 image.

                  Scripts to build a trimmed-down Windows 11 image. Contribute to ntdevlabs/tiny11builder development by creating an account on GitHub.

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                    blametheantifa@lemmy.world
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                    #36

                    It’s very easy to uninstall.

                    Step 1: Download Bazzite
                    Step 2: Install Bazzite
                    Step 3: Erase Windows

                    That’s all there is to it.

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                      You can restrict access to your entire network.

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                      jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                      …what? How are you going to do any modern day work on the host machine with no Internet access? Are you going to air gap your windows machine?

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                        Man you must recycle jokes at parties.

                        No dual boot needed, can use Linux exclusive programs and have data stored outside of the VM for easy access

                        Yes but if you dual boot there’s no VM needed LOL

                        I just can’t possibly comprehend why you would prefer that when dual booting is so much simpler…

                        Able to take advantage of the performance improvements of using Linux as your daily driver compared to Windows (most notably lower memory usage)

                        So you mean to tell me running Windows inside of Linux uses less RAM than just Windows? How does that work?

                        Not barred by Windows 11’s requirements

                        I mean you can get around that using Rufus easy enough (I’m told).

                        we are looking at this situation through the lens of a user who wants to use Linux with access to their Windows programs

                        But why?

                        the advantage of not using Windows as your main operating system is that you have a stable, secure baseline, without any fears of unwanted telemetry or addons

                        I’m not sure you understand how a VM works. There’s nothing about a VM that removes telemetry or add-ons from Windows…

                        And who said anything about a “main operating system”? Linux can still be your “main”.

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                        jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                        Yes but if you dual boot there’s no VM needed LOL

                        You want to reboot the entire system when you need to use a Windows only application? Instead of just opening up a VM?

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                          …what? How are you going to do any modern day work on the host machine with no Internet access? Are you going to air gap your windows machine?

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                          artyom
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                          …what? How are you going to do work in the VM with no internet access?

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                            Yes but if you dual boot there’s no VM needed LOL

                            You want to reboot the entire system when you need to use a Windows only application? Instead of just opening up a VM?

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                            artyom
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                            …after spending 2 weeks trying to figure out how to make it work? Yeah I’ll restart the computer in 2 minutes instead, thank you.

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                              Lol.

                              Lmao, even.

                              Whoever believes a single word that company says?

                              Like why are we as a society normalizing lying about everything? “Marketing”, “Public relations”, even “Politics”. All of which are ultimately pointless, as we don’t need to keep buying shit, think better of corporations, and argue about same three questions over and over again.

                              Which is to say, fuck Microsoft. And everything they do. Yes, EVERYTHING. Including the open-source stuff. We need to break down big companies into much smaller ones.

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                              bosht@lemmy.world
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                              #41

                              I’ve thought this for well over a decade. Probably longer but I’m not going to do the math. Why the fuck do we have anti monopoly laws if they’re never enforced anymore? Is it because they found loopholes? Especially with media conglomerates and horrors like Disney walking the land.

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                                I don’t give a flying fuck how they try to explain it. I don’t want AI driven anything.

                                Let people opt in to that crap. They have an app store, out it’s there.

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                                  …after spending 2 weeks trying to figure out how to make it work? Yeah I’ll restart the computer in 2 minutes instead, thank you.

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                                  jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                                  You think making a VM takes two weeks? I’m pretty sure Microsoft provides images you can just pop into virtualbox, but it’s been a while since I used VMs.

                                  Also if you need to use the windows software alongside your regular workflow (eg: reading info out of the windows software with your eyes and then typing into your IDE or terminal), rebooting the whole thing is going to suck.

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                                    …what? How are you going to do work in the VM with no internet access?

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                                    jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                                    Depends on what you need to do. You could mount a folder to get files in or out, for some cases.

                                    Have you used virtual machines before? Done software development?

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                                      I don’t give a flying fuck how they try to explain it. I don’t want AI driven anything.

                                      Let people opt in to that crap. They have an app store, out it’s there.

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                                      ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                                      People are already opting in to use Windows though.

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                                      • rustyshackleford@lemmy.zipR rustyshackleford@lemmy.zip

                                        Any other suggestions for Windows 11 users that haven’t had to use it since 8? I want to kill as much of their garbage as possible, but I feel like I missed so much of their dastardly crap I could be missing something.

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                                        p1nkman@lemmy.world
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                                        Win11debloat. Thank me later.

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                                        • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                                          You think making a VM takes two weeks? I’m pretty sure Microsoft provides images you can just pop into virtualbox, but it’s been a while since I used VMs.

                                          Also if you need to use the windows software alongside your regular workflow (eg: reading info out of the windows software with your eyes and then typing into your IDE or terminal), rebooting the whole thing is going to suck.

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                                          artyom
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                                          You think making a VM takes two weeks?

                                          I dunno, I spent several hours trying before I gave up.

                                          eg: reading info out of the windows software with your eyes and then typing into your IDE or terminal

                                          I can’t fathom a scenario where I would need to do that.

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