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Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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  • solastalgia krisI solastalgia kris

    @cstross I'm predicting the comments will be filled by people who didn't even read the whole thing to the end. The author isn't saying women should reject AI šŸ˜‰

    PapyrusBrigadeP This user is from outside of this forum
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    @iyashikei_kris Indeed. I was nodding all along until I got to the last 25% of the essay. I have no interest in building a better AI. With fascism rising and climate collapse inexorably approaching, investing trillions in AI is like taking up crack to stop smoking.

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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      They Built Stepford AI and Called It ā€œAgenticā€

      Women’s ā€œickā€ for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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      (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

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      @cstross

      Japanese women are marrying these Agents.

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      AI romance blooms as Japan woman weds virtual partner of her dreams

      Music played in a wedding hall in western Japan as Yurina Noguchi, wearing a white gown and tiara, dabbed away her tears, taking in the words of her husband-to-be: an AI-generated persona gazing out f...

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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        They Built Stepford AI and Called It ā€œAgenticā€

        Women’s ā€œickā€ for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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        (abiawomosu.substack.com)

        (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

        Kyle Memoir šŸ‰F This user is from outside of this forum
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        #18

        @cstross

        The 'typing' of the AI options kinda nails it:

        'ChatGPT’s defining feature isn’t efficiency. It’s sycophancy. She agrees with whatever you say. Validates your position even when you’re wrong. Tells you what you want to hear. Never really pushes back. Makes you feel smart regardless of reality.

        This isn’t a bug. It’s retention strategy.'

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        • Spacewizard!  (Ed H)S Spacewizard! (Ed H)

          @cstross The article swerves hard at the end to suddenly supporting liberated girlboss women commanding their own Stepford AIs šŸ˜•

          clewC This user is from outside of this forum
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          Boy howdy yes. Completely skipping one of the causes of revulsion: the most Stepfordy nature is going to lead the user astray.

          The stock character for *that* is the much younger last wife of the magnate, who spends the family fortune and advances her cousins into control of the business and is herself seduced by a continental Count of dubious origins and loyalty.

          @spacewizard @cstross

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          • clewC clew

            Boy howdy yes. Completely skipping one of the causes of revulsion: the most Stepfordy nature is going to lead the user astray.

            The stock character for *that* is the much younger last wife of the magnate, who spends the family fortune and advances her cousins into control of the business and is herself seduced by a continental Count of dubious origins and loyalty.

            @spacewizard @cstross

            clewC This user is from outside of this forum
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            #20

            patriarchal men* deeply don’t get that women, servants, employees have been _saving them from their own bad decisions_. While pretending not to.

            Women, servants, employees know how hard this is; it’s three or four layers of theory of mind, its planning so far ahead that you move the pebble, not the landslide. It often fails; that’s our fault too.

            * applies across any power chasm, apply as needed

            @spacewizard @cstross

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            • Kyle Memoir šŸ‰F Kyle Memoir šŸ‰

              @cstross

              The 'typing' of the AI options kinda nails it:

              'ChatGPT’s defining feature isn’t efficiency. It’s sycophancy. She agrees with whatever you say. Validates your position even when you’re wrong. Tells you what you want to hear. Never really pushes back. Makes you feel smart regardless of reality.

              This isn’t a bug. It’s retention strategy.'

              Robert BanzT This user is from outside of this forum
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              @f800gecko ā€œyou’re absolutely right!ā€

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

                Link Preview Image
                They Built Stepford AI and Called It ā€œAgenticā€

                Women’s ā€œickā€ for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

                favicon

                (abiawomosu.substack.com)

                (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

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                datarama
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                #22

                @cstross I get *exactly* that feeling those women interviewed describe when looking at AI imagery, reading AI text or when I've had to interact with an LLM chatbot. Utter revulsion from deep in the hindbrain, sometimes surfacing *before* I'm sure I'm looking at AI output.

                I can't explain exactly why. (And I'm not a woman, so I don't think the suggested explanation here would apply to me.)

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

                  Link Preview Image
                  They Built Stepford AI and Called It ā€œAgenticā€

                  Women’s ā€œickā€ for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

                  favicon

                  (abiawomosu.substack.com)

                  (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

                  Jasper šŸ‰J This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #23

                  @cstross there is truth to it, but really tendentious writing.

                  The substack profile picture mentions "telling you a different story about AI". A story is not an assessment.

                  The suggestion is nice, but often in practice people will use other peoples' server, i'd not depend or send too much...

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                  • dataramaD datarama

                    @cstross I get *exactly* that feeling those women interviewed describe when looking at AI imagery, reading AI text or when I've had to interact with an LLM chatbot. Utter revulsion from deep in the hindbrain, sometimes surfacing *before* I'm sure I'm looking at AI output.

                    I can't explain exactly why. (And I'm not a woman, so I don't think the suggested explanation here would apply to me.)

                    Colman ReillyC This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @datarama @cstross there’s a really weird feel to the format. Pretty sure an article I read today was at least reformatted with an LLM. It felt like it was written to a formula designed for SEO with no style of its own at all.

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                    • Kyle Memoir šŸ‰F Kyle Memoir šŸ‰

                      @cstross

                      The 'typing' of the AI options kinda nails it:

                      'ChatGPT’s defining feature isn’t efficiency. It’s sycophancy. She agrees with whatever you say. Validates your position even when you’re wrong. Tells you what you want to hear. Never really pushes back. Makes you feel smart regardless of reality.

                      This isn’t a bug. It’s retention strategy.'

                      Hannah SteenbockF This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @f800gecko

                      A striking similarity to drugs like cocaine. Maybe it is similarly addictive, too.

                      @cstross

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                      • Colman ReillyC Colman Reilly

                        @datarama @cstross there’s a really weird feel to the format. Pretty sure an article I read today was at least reformatted with an LLM. It felt like it was written to a formula designed for SEO with no style of its own at all.

                        dataramaD This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #26

                        @Colman @cstross I can't explain what it is. And it's more pronounced with images than with text (but *even more* pronounced when I've had to use a chatbot).

                        It's not simply distaste; it's a revulsion that feels so deep-seated and primal that I imagine my pet lizard would recognize the feeling itself (though obviously not the context).

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                        • dataramaD datarama

                          @Colman @cstross I can't explain what it is. And it's more pronounced with images than with text (but *even more* pronounced when I've had to use a chatbot).

                          It's not simply distaste; it's a revulsion that feels so deep-seated and primal that I imagine my pet lizard would recognize the feeling itself (though obviously not the context).

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                          @datarama @Colman "Uncanny valley" only for theory-of-mind in interpersonal communication, rather than visual appearance of human-like-but-not-actually-human things?

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