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  • Mullvad VPNM Mullvad VPN

    The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

    A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

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    @mullvadnet Look what's going on in Spain as well: https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/la-liga-wins-court-order-requiring-nordvpn-and-proton-vpn-to-block-illegal-football-streams-in-spain-but-vpn-firms-say-they-have-not-been-notified

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    • Mullvad VPNM Mullvad VPN

      The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

      A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

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      Schrödiɲger's Enby
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      #13

      @mullvadnet@mastodon.online at this point i will just straight up not use the internet

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      • Mullvad VPNM Mullvad VPN

        The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

        A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

        Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫P This user is from outside of this forum
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        #14

        @mullvadnet
        They'll have to *really* fast track it if they want to pass it before we yeet them into the rubbish bin of history. Government by announcement only gets you so far when your polls are collapsing and your own guys are saying you should resign.

        And even if they do, the next government can repeal it easily, because hasty legislation reactively banning things doesn't have any complicated infrastructure to tear down or budget gaps to cover. It can just go away.

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        • Alexander DyasA Alexander Dyas

          @mullvadnet How on earth is this even enforceable?

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          @alexanderdyas @mullvadnet It isn't, and I assume it's the point. Make the law vague enough that anyone can be prosecuted under it.
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          • Mullvad VPNM Mullvad VPN

            The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

            A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

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            Neil Moffatt
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            @mullvadnet So often, systems like government, sports clubs, businesses have such unscalable paths to the influencing of decision makers that they learn very fast that they can be authoritative and selfish with precious little interference.

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            • Mullvad VPNM Mullvad VPN

              The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

              A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

              Kirill ChernyshovD This user is from outside of this forum
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              Kirill Chernyshov
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              #17

              @mullvadnet curious timing. just about an hour ago I forged and verified my first zero knowledge proof that can tell the verifier that proof holder was born before a certain timestamp (aka. older than N years) at the same time reveling absolutely (!) nothing about proof holders, not even those who authorize it.

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                @mullvadnet With all due respect. The UK government can go f… themselfes.

                You folks are great tho ❤️ 💪 🙏

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                @nemo @mullvadnet

                This is exactly my point as well. The EU has done some great things in digital privacy laws and yet they still want to do dumb shit. I am appaled with the issues with CSAM and I agree something needs to be done. I also agree with the deplorable ways in which social media has infected society - howver, the answer is not to destroy privacy.

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                • Mullvad VPNM Mullvad VPN

                  The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

                  A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

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                  GreatLakeTrout
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                  @mullvadnet

                  Requiring every VPN user to verify their age to stop a few bad actors is like requiring everyone to show government ID to buy a hammer because a few people used hammers to commit crimes.

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                  • Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫P Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫

                    @mullvadnet
                    They'll have to *really* fast track it if they want to pass it before we yeet them into the rubbish bin of history. Government by announcement only gets you so far when your polls are collapsing and your own guys are saying you should resign.

                    And even if they do, the next government can repeal it easily, because hasty legislation reactively banning things doesn't have any complicated infrastructure to tear down or budget gaps to cover. It can just go away.

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                    Colin H.
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                    @petealexharris @mullvadnet But do we think Nigel and Cruella will be so inclined?

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                    • Mullvad VPNM Mullvad VPN

                      The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

                      A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

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                      GhostOnTheHalfShell
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                      @mullvadnet

                      The revolution cannot come soon enough

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                      • Colin H.G Colin H.

                        @petealexharris @mullvadnet But do we think Nigel and Cruella will be so inclined?

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                        @GlasWolf @mullvadnet
                        If they get in we all have worse problems. However, let's see.

                        If I had to predict, I'd say the vote will be so unprecedentedly split that there is no way for any one party to form a government without at least a confidence-and-supply deal including the Greens (or in the extreme case, the Greens+SNP+LibDem)

                        Deform UK Ltd simply *cannot* negotiate such a deal. So I don't think Farage's blackshirts are going to be forming the next government.

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                        • Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫P Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫

                          @GlasWolf @mullvadnet
                          If they get in we all have worse problems. However, let's see.

                          If I had to predict, I'd say the vote will be so unprecedentedly split that there is no way for any one party to form a government without at least a confidence-and-supply deal including the Greens (or in the extreme case, the Greens+SNP+LibDem)

                          Deform UK Ltd simply *cannot* negotiate such a deal. So I don't think Farage's blackshirts are going to be forming the next government.

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                          Colin H.
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                          @petealexharris @mullvadnet I hope you're right, but I wouldn't count out Reform and the rump of the old Tory party getting over the line.

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                          • Mullvad VPNM Mullvad VPN

                            The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

                            A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

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                            Charles
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                            @mullvadnet

                            phase 2 is requiring everyone to use an approved vpn aka government "gateway".

                            because right now, you can access the internet via all kinds of entry pints - from your broadband at home, to your 4G mobile, to the cafe wifi, etc and it makes it a little less convenient to surveil you.

                            much easier if all your traffic goes through the approved ID-verifying gateway.

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                            • Mullvad VPNM Mullvad VPN

                              The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

                              A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

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                              @mullvadnet devil very much in the detail! Is ssh a VPN?

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                              • Mullvad VPNM Mullvad VPN

                                The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

                                A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

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                                Simon Zerafa
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                                @mullvadnet

                                How that would be enforced with VPN suppliers in other countries will be interesting to see.

                                I suspect some of them will tell the UK.GOV to fuck off, which is the correct response.

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                                • Hypolite PetovanH Hypolite Petovan
                                  @alexanderdyas @mullvadnet It isn't, and I assume it's the point. Make the law vague enough that anyone can be prosecuted under it.
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                                  Alexander Dyas
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                                  @hypolite @mullvadnet There should be a civil service IT sanity department. It is politically neutral, staffed by people who actually have a clue. Proposals like this are submitted to this department and a simple response is returned, one of:

                                  - Oh fuck off
                                  - Needs a lot of work, re-submit
                                  - Yeah, should be ok

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                                  • Mullvad VPNM Mullvad VPN

                                    The UK has announced plans to fast-track legislation requiring “age verification for VPN use”. The correct term, however, is not age verification but identity verification.

                                    A law like this would require everyone to identify themselves in order to use a VPN. This would pose a risk to whistleblowers, violate human rights, and represent yet another step toward an authoritarian society.

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                                    TobiWanKenobi
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                                    @mullvadnet

                                    Following in the steps of its big brother across the Atlantic, huh?

                                    Another country to stay the hell away from. Duly noted.

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                                    • Simon ZerafaS Simon Zerafa

                                      @mullvadnet

                                      How that would be enforced with VPN suppliers in other countries will be interesting to see.

                                      I suspect some of them will tell the UK.GOV to fuck off, which is the correct response.

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                                      @simonzerafa@infosec.exchange

                                      Well I certainly will.
                                      So sick of websites throwing hissy fits if you are using one.

                                      @mullvadnet@mastodon.online

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                                      • Colin H.G Colin H.

                                        @petealexharris @mullvadnet I hope you're right, but I wouldn't count out Reform and the rump of the old Tory party getting over the line.

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                                        @GlasWolf @mullvadnet
                                        The only reason I'd call that unlikely is the same reason there's any danger from Reform at all: we don't have PR.

                                        In a first-past-the-post system, the two far right parties are going to be parasitising and splitting each other's votes in most constituencies.

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                                        • Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫P Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫

                                          @GlasWolf @mullvadnet
                                          The only reason I'd call that unlikely is the same reason there's any danger from Reform at all: we don't have PR.

                                          In a first-past-the-post system, the two far right parties are going to be parasitising and splitting each other's votes in most constituencies.

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                                          @GlasWolf @mullvadnet

                                          I'm setting myself up for the most naively optimistic prediction followed by the most crushing disappointment aren't I?

                                          Anyway...

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