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PC Gamers Abandoning Windows 11 for Linux with Higher FPS & Fewer Interruptions

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  • C caisideqc@lemmy.ca

    I feel like if you made a Venn diagram between Lemmy users and Linux users, it would just be a circle. I say this as also a Linux enjoyer.

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    zamboni_driver@lemmy.ca
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    #246

    I don’t see what relevance that comment has to mine. Why did you write this?

    I’m a lemmy user, I don’t currently use linux. So your point is not correct.

    More importantly, I wasn’t saying anything about linux users, I’m pointing out the the source that was posted is a blogspam non-reputable source.

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    • AlaknárA Alaknár

      Why the hell is Gates on that image?? The guy stepped down as a CEO 26 years ago, and left the board of directors six years ago.

      The enshittification is all Nadela’s baby.

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      altphoto@lemmy.today
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      #247

      Did you ever use windows before XP?

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        darkfuture@lemmy.world
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        #248

        Many games are still not functional on Linux. Here is a link showing which ones aren’t just due to their anti-cheat features. That doesn’t include games that aren’t compatible for other reasons.

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        Are We Anti-Cheat Yet?

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          m3t00🌎
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          #249

          game companies are entrenched, tools, libraries, think hardware emulation layers like DirectX. and installed os monopoly. linux exists because of diy types unwilling to pay someone else to do it. if you know how, make lusers pay you to do it for them. they can’t understand the details. wasting your breath

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          • AlaknárA Alaknár

            Why the hell is Gates on that image?? The guy stepped down as a CEO 26 years ago, and left the board of directors six years ago.

            The enshittification is all Nadela’s baby.

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            ugurcan@lemmy.world
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            #250

            You somehow made me aware Gates had to use either an UNIX derivative (iPhone) or a Linux derivative (Android) daily.

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            • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD darkfuture@lemmy.world

              Many games are still not functional on Linux. Here is a link showing which ones aren’t just due to their anti-cheat features. That doesn’t include games that aren’t compatible for other reasons.

              Link Preview Image
              Are We Anti-Cheat Yet?

              favicon

              (areweanticheatyet.com)

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              offspec@lemmy.world
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              #251

              It’s pretty rare to find a game that doesn’t work for a reason that isn’t anticheat. I would say the few that are incompatible definitely classify as the exception and not the rule.

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              • C Cethin

                You say Linux, but I think you’re talking about Gnome specifically. I’d recommend trying KDE and seeing how it handles your problems. You can install multiple DEs and see what works best for you.

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                caseyweederman
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                #252

                I was going to reply with this:

                Gnome

                Ahh.

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                • D datz@szmer.info

                  “Paste shit into a command line to get stuff to work”

                  Like Linux? Or did I just pick a crappy distro as a beginner? On Nobara OS I couldn’t get a onedrive folder to work without konsole, and the one were setup was simple enough to work, I’m having bugs with files not syncing.

                  A case could be made that I should use some Linux focused cloud with a flatpack install, but I can’t since my uni relies on MS. Admittedly, an issue because of their monopoly, but one that makes switching an effort for normal people anyways.

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                  thegrandnagus@lemmy.world
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                  #253

                  Huh? Are you using an ISO from 2004 or something? I’ve never used a terminal on my PC outside of windows. On Linux I don’t even have one installed.

                  In my experience Windows is bewilderingly complicated, prone to breakage, full of spying/ads, and is a bit of a UX/UI nightmare.

                  It also just… turns sluggish over time. I’m not 100% sure why, but running their sketchy-looking disk cleanup utility seems to do the trick. Why it has to be something the user knows about and regularly carries out manually is beyond me, though.

                  I just want my PC to work, not fight me, and not feel like a chore to use. Windows cannot give me that.

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                  • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD darkfuture@lemmy.world

                    Many games are still not functional on Linux. Here is a link showing which ones aren’t just due to their anti-cheat features. That doesn’t include games that aren’t compatible for other reasons.

                    Link Preview Image
                    Are We Anti-Cheat Yet?

                    favicon

                    (areweanticheatyet.com)

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                    jnod4@lemmy.ca
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                    #254

                    I’m not playing any games with anticheat and I’m working so much I only play single player. Linux won for me

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                    • H honytawk@feddit.nl

                      Not shopped, but that is a hardware issue and has nothing to do with Windows.

                      If you ran Linux on it, you would have the same issue. Just the screen wouldn’t be blue.

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                      corvidcawder@sh.itjust.works
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                      #255

                      So it just happens that I’m always unlucky with the hardware in all 3 gaming desktop PCs that I’ve built over the last ~14 years that they would have this behaviour? (Bluescreen out of nowhere, without any intensive hardware usage or weird behaviour or anything that justifies triggering this)

                      I haven’t ran Linux on this machine yet, but I’m more likely to go for it with each passing day. I can let you know how it goes and how many crashes I get. I don’t expect any, as I’ve been using Linux on my laptops for close to 10 years now and the only time I had a hardware problem was because I was using my old laptop as a server and its HDD died - but that’s because HDD laptops are not meant for these usage patterns, so totally expected tbh.

                      I find it super interesting that there is this pushback from you and the other user here saying “Windows doesn’t have any problems”, which now turns into “Ah but that’s hardware and Linux would have it too!” - How can you know?? How can you make such an apt diagnosis that it’s not a Windows-only issue with practically zero information??

                      Because if we are just blindly applying patterns then yes I can do the same - I’ve literally never had a running Linux system crash on me, from running it in VMs, Cloud VPSs, Laptops and even a Raspberry Pi. And in the same timeframe I’ve had more random blue screens on Windows than I can count. And I can tell you that I looked quite hard at a few of them to try and avoid triggering them. The only one I managed to figure out was that in a Laptop X USB-powered headset combo I could never start up the system with the headset connected, as if the cable was messed with and the dongle lost connection, it would immediately blue screen the laptop. But if it booted with the USB dongle disconnected and I connected it later, it was totally fine!! - Even with this crash being caused by hardware, how can you say that this is a reasonable behaviour from a “production-ready” OS? The latter behaviour tells us that it is totally possible to handle this hardware error without a full system crash, but it can happen all the same!

                      I honestly don’t understand what you or the other user get from being so adamant about Windows being good, or being “not that bad”, or just “Windows isn’t the problem here, you are” 🙃 I hope at least Microsoft pays you well for the advertising!

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                      • T thegrandnagus@lemmy.world

                        Huh? Are you using an ISO from 2004 or something? I’ve never used a terminal on my PC outside of windows. On Linux I don’t even have one installed.

                        In my experience Windows is bewilderingly complicated, prone to breakage, full of spying/ads, and is a bit of a UX/UI nightmare.

                        It also just… turns sluggish over time. I’m not 100% sure why, but running their sketchy-looking disk cleanup utility seems to do the trick. Why it has to be something the user knows about and regularly carries out manually is beyond me, though.

                        I just want my PC to work, not fight me, and not feel like a chore to use. Windows cannot give me that.

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                        datz@szmer.info
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                        #256

                        Well, what distro are you using? I barely ever needed the terminal on Windows, while it comes up consistently for solving problems on Linux so far, so I must be doing something wrong.

                        Pretty much most installation instructions for abraunegg’s Onedrive client include using it if only to install the package, and since I couldn’t get the GUI to work, also operating it.

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                        • A altphoto@lemmy.today

                          Did you ever use windows before XP?

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                          Alaknár
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                          #257

                          Friend, I used computers before DOS.

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                          • U ugurcan@lemmy.world

                            You somehow made me aware Gates had to use either an UNIX derivative (iPhone) or a Linux derivative (Android) daily.

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                            Alaknár
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                            #258

                            I’d assume that for the majority of his career he was using something like Series 20 OS (Nokia’s proprietary OS) or the BlackBerry OS (before it was rewritten to be based on UNIX-like QNX).

                            But since then, yeah. There are literally no other options since MS killed Windows Mobile with prejudice.

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                            • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD darkfuture@lemmy.world

                              Many games are still not functional on Linux. Here is a link showing which ones aren’t just due to their anti-cheat features. That doesn’t include games that aren’t compatible for other reasons.

                              Link Preview Image
                              Are We Anti-Cheat Yet?

                              favicon

                              (areweanticheatyet.com)

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                              holytimes@sh.itjust.works
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                              If you can find a game that doesn’t work on Linux at this point not due to anti cheat that would be honestly rather impressive.

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                              • M Mavytan

                                Some time ago I wanted to get my xbox controller to work with Linux Mint. There were no working drivers installed, the drivers from the ‘app store’ (whatever it’s real name may be) didn’t work, the drivers I installed from some github page via the command line did work.

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                                aski3252@lemmy.world
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                                #260

                                Generally speaking, drivers like this should be included in the kernel and there should be no need to install anything. Of course, this depends on the firmware, modell of your controller and the linux kernel version, but as far as I know, most xbox controllers should work out of the box. I have never used xbox controllers, but there has been a community developed driver project for decades.

                                So there was maybe a specific issue/bug, which can happen of course, but that isn’t unique to linux. The difference is that in Linux, you CAN tinker if you want to (and know what you are doing). In less open systems, that’s a lot harder and you have to hope and rely on the manufacturer to fix it.

                                In windows, the way it works generally is that the manufacturer developes and provides the driver. In linux, there is a chicken and egg issue. A lot of manufacturers don’t bother to develope drivers for linux because there aren’t a lot of users and there aren’t a lot of users because manufacturers don’t bother providing drivers and other software. In the case of xbox, it is even more tricky since microsoft has no real interest to get their hardware working on competing operating systems.

                                It has gotten a lot better in recent years, and I expect it will continue, as desktop linux slowly gains more traction, but a lot of software in general still depends on the community and third party actors.

                                And I’m not sure what the better alternative would be. You can run community written shell scripts in a gui, but then you have even more people who run random software written by random people without even remotely knowing what they are doing. So in that case, a barrier (like a cli) is actually useful since it might stop people without knowhow from breaking their system or installing malware.

                                The only “real” alternative for the average joe would be manufacturers supporting their own hardware.

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                                • W WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]

                                  “Where it starts to get complicated is if you want to do anything off the beaten path. In fact, Bazzite is much more complicated than something like Fedora or Debian if you need to do anything like this. Because you need to worry about either layering with rpm-ostree, or creating your own base image with a Containerfile (FROM bazzite).”

                                  I’ve had a similar complaint about bazzite. Some obscure things are just harder to install because of it being immutable. But I also haven’t managed to accidentally break it, like I have with other OS’s. Also, sometimes my problem has simply been looking up instructions for fedora and assuming they’d apply to bazzite instead of just looking up the bazzite instructions (which actually existed and were fairly distinct and didn’t involve rpm-ostree stuff).

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                                  zen@lemmy.zip
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                                  Yep. I’m lucky i know Docker and Bash. I was able to make my own container FROM Bazzite. But good luck to you, if you don’t know that.

                                  I mean, you can always layer (rpm-ostree). Honestly Bazzite is a WIP.

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                                  • Z zamboni_driver@lemmy.ca

                                    I don’t see what relevance that comment has to mine. Why did you write this?

                                    I’m a lemmy user, I don’t currently use linux. So your point is not correct.

                                    More importantly, I wasn’t saying anything about linux users, I’m pointing out the the source that was posted is a blogspam non-reputable source.

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                                    caisideqc@lemmy.ca
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                                    I don’t think i was very clear. What i meant to say is that the type of people to find and engage in niche online communities that relate to tech are going to be significantly more likely to use an operating system different than the average person, thus Lemmy users, who often advocate for freer consumer technology as the existence of this platform is mostly a protest against major social media sites. These consumer freedom tech communities will always be biased towards Linux and could create circlejerks where we convince eachother we are on the right side of things. Last asterisk, i know most users here are still windows or mac users. But instead of Linux users being 2% of the community like in the real world, we could be 25% instead, thus greatly exaggerating real life support.

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