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  • Taylor DrewM Taylor Drew

    @reading_recluse I spend a lot of my time these days trying not to send middle finger emojis to people to be honest... Probably isn't very socially acceptable, but it's how I feel.

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    @mollymay5000 💯 agree. I angrily think: how dare you. How dare you waste my precious time on earth with this trash.

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    • Reading RecluseR Reading Recluse

      The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

      Refusing to read writing made with the use of LLMs and refusing to give time to writers who use, promote or justify the use of LLMs is not purity culture, it's a boycott. It's a political act of withdrawing my time, resources and support for something that I find deeply morally wrong. It's protest. I have a choice and I refuse.

      LLMs are exploitative, destructive, biased, mediocre parroting machines. Using them has a negative impact on the climate, the arts, the quality of the internet, the job market, the economy, the accessibility of electronics, even on skill development, creativity and mental health. LLMs are made and trained on the unpaid labour of millions -if not billions- of people who didn't consent. Their generic output litter the path to finding anything by true human creators.

      Wherever I can, for as long as I can, I reject LLMs and anything that is related to them. I'm boycotting.

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      @reading_recluse

      Yes indeed.

      Brava, bravo.

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      • Reading RecluseR Reading Recluse

        The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

        Refusing to read writing made with the use of LLMs and refusing to give time to writers who use, promote or justify the use of LLMs is not purity culture, it's a boycott. It's a political act of withdrawing my time, resources and support for something that I find deeply morally wrong. It's protest. I have a choice and I refuse.

        LLMs are exploitative, destructive, biased, mediocre parroting machines. Using them has a negative impact on the climate, the arts, the quality of the internet, the job market, the economy, the accessibility of electronics, even on skill development, creativity and mental health. LLMs are made and trained on the unpaid labour of millions -if not billions- of people who didn't consent. Their generic output litter the path to finding anything by true human creators.

        Wherever I can, for as long as I can, I reject LLMs and anything that is related to them. I'm boycotting.

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        @reading_recluse exactly this.

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        • Reading RecluseR Reading Recluse

          The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

          Refusing to read writing made with the use of LLMs and refusing to give time to writers who use, promote or justify the use of LLMs is not purity culture, it's a boycott. It's a political act of withdrawing my time, resources and support for something that I find deeply morally wrong. It's protest. I have a choice and I refuse.

          LLMs are exploitative, destructive, biased, mediocre parroting machines. Using them has a negative impact on the climate, the arts, the quality of the internet, the job market, the economy, the accessibility of electronics, even on skill development, creativity and mental health. LLMs are made and trained on the unpaid labour of millions -if not billions- of people who didn't consent. Their generic output litter the path to finding anything by true human creators.

          Wherever I can, for as long as I can, I reject LLMs and anything that is related to them. I'm boycotting.

          Stephen 🌈 (he/him)F This user is from outside of this forum
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          Stephen 🌈 (he/him)
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          @reading_recluse Me, too!

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          • Reading RecluseR Reading Recluse

            The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

            Refusing to read writing made with the use of LLMs and refusing to give time to writers who use, promote or justify the use of LLMs is not purity culture, it's a boycott. It's a political act of withdrawing my time, resources and support for something that I find deeply morally wrong. It's protest. I have a choice and I refuse.

            LLMs are exploitative, destructive, biased, mediocre parroting machines. Using them has a negative impact on the climate, the arts, the quality of the internet, the job market, the economy, the accessibility of electronics, even on skill development, creativity and mental health. LLMs are made and trained on the unpaid labour of millions -if not billions- of people who didn't consent. Their generic output litter the path to finding anything by true human creators.

            Wherever I can, for as long as I can, I reject LLMs and anything that is related to them. I'm boycotting.

            PapageierP This user is from outside of this forum
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            @reading_recluse You do wear machine-woven cloth, though, no?

            Seriously: Why?

            It's exploitative, the quality is mediocre, it kills jobs, it's a waste of resources, consumes vast amounts of energy, hinders creativity, destroys small businesses, forces uniformity onto people ... why wear it?

            Because not doing so would be a waste of time. And time is the one resource that's (still) strictly limited for all of us. We compromise on the quality of clothing (debatable), in order to do other things we couldn't if we were still weaving cloth manually.

            When mechanical weaving machines came about, the workers threw their wooden shoes, in French 'Sabot', into the machines to stop them.

            All that is left of this effort is a word describing the futile attempt: Sabotage.

            So protest all you like, it's just not going to get you anywhere.

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            • Reading RecluseR Reading Recluse

              The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

              Refusing to read writing made with the use of LLMs and refusing to give time to writers who use, promote or justify the use of LLMs is not purity culture, it's a boycott. It's a political act of withdrawing my time, resources and support for something that I find deeply morally wrong. It's protest. I have a choice and I refuse.

              LLMs are exploitative, destructive, biased, mediocre parroting machines. Using them has a negative impact on the climate, the arts, the quality of the internet, the job market, the economy, the accessibility of electronics, even on skill development, creativity and mental health. LLMs are made and trained on the unpaid labour of millions -if not billions- of people who didn't consent. Their generic output litter the path to finding anything by true human creators.

              Wherever I can, for as long as I can, I reject LLMs and anything that is related to them. I'm boycotting.

              xs4me2X This user is from outside of this forum
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              @reading_recluse

              LLM are not an expression of speech nor creativity and simply digest, explore and reorder information available. They are a tool and can be useful to digest and explore information at great speed but essentially are not more than that.

              For anything in opinion, creativity, art and commenting I will be looking at human expression, always..

              The problem is society will be confronted with loads of LLM nonsense and disinformation in due time. Seeing it online more and more.

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              • PapageierP Papageier

                @reading_recluse You do wear machine-woven cloth, though, no?

                Seriously: Why?

                It's exploitative, the quality is mediocre, it kills jobs, it's a waste of resources, consumes vast amounts of energy, hinders creativity, destroys small businesses, forces uniformity onto people ... why wear it?

                Because not doing so would be a waste of time. And time is the one resource that's (still) strictly limited for all of us. We compromise on the quality of clothing (debatable), in order to do other things we couldn't if we were still weaving cloth manually.

                When mechanical weaving machines came about, the workers threw their wooden shoes, in French 'Sabot', into the machines to stop them.

                All that is left of this effort is a word describing the futile attempt: Sabotage.

                So protest all you like, it's just not going to get you anywhere.

                social elephant in the roomT This user is from outside of this forum
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                @papageier @reading_recluse machine-woven cloth was answering an essential need in a profitable capitalistic way. Can we say the same about LLM?

                I think it is not inevitable, but time will tell.

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                • Reading RecluseR Reading Recluse

                  The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

                  Refusing to read writing made with the use of LLMs and refusing to give time to writers who use, promote or justify the use of LLMs is not purity culture, it's a boycott. It's a political act of withdrawing my time, resources and support for something that I find deeply morally wrong. It's protest. I have a choice and I refuse.

                  LLMs are exploitative, destructive, biased, mediocre parroting machines. Using them has a negative impact on the climate, the arts, the quality of the internet, the job market, the economy, the accessibility of electronics, even on skill development, creativity and mental health. LLMs are made and trained on the unpaid labour of millions -if not billions- of people who didn't consent. Their generic output litter the path to finding anything by true human creators.

                  Wherever I can, for as long as I can, I reject LLMs and anything that is related to them. I'm boycotting.

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                  @reading_recluse Our refusal to engage with or become in any way reliant on LLMs is also a conscious effort to run out the clock.

                  Tech giants are trying to crowbar "AI" into everything right now, because they need to make these services indispensable for society at large. This way our leaders might not have have a choice, but to bail out or otherwise coddle the industry once all this circular financing comes crashing down as it inevitably must.

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                  • Glenn SetoG This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @milan @reading_recluse The big lie of machines soon doing all that pesky work for us, but with no intention to actually remove our need for a monthly paycheck.

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                    • Glenn SetoG Glenn Seto

                      @reading_recluse Our refusal to engage with or become in any way reliant on LLMs is also a conscious effort to run out the clock.

                      Tech giants are trying to crowbar "AI" into everything right now, because they need to make these services indispensable for society at large. This way our leaders might not have have a choice, but to bail out or otherwise coddle the industry once all this circular financing comes crashing down as it inevitably must.

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                      @glennseto @reading_recluse totally agree.

                      It’s like how recipe websites become useless as they added so much useless text for SEO and so they have “jump to recipe” buttons to actually find what you want.

                      The AI chatbots are like that button except, terribly, the only reason it’s needed is because of all the AI slop in the first place.

                      And then we have to rely on it as the entire internet is noise and no signal. Tech companies made the mess then push the tool to clean

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                      • Reading RecluseR Reading Recluse

                        The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

                        Refusing to read writing made with the use of LLMs and refusing to give time to writers who use, promote or justify the use of LLMs is not purity culture, it's a boycott. It's a political act of withdrawing my time, resources and support for something that I find deeply morally wrong. It's protest. I have a choice and I refuse.

                        LLMs are exploitative, destructive, biased, mediocre parroting machines. Using them has a negative impact on the climate, the arts, the quality of the internet, the job market, the economy, the accessibility of electronics, even on skill development, creativity and mental health. LLMs are made and trained on the unpaid labour of millions -if not billions- of people who didn't consent. Their generic output litter the path to finding anything by true human creators.

                        Wherever I can, for as long as I can, I reject LLMs and anything that is related to them. I'm boycotting.

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                        @reading_recluse I hate illusionary intelligence (LLMs) and avoid them as much as possible. Work forces me to use them. So I do, the time spent working has dropped significantly but so has the quality. Now most of the time is spent typing up prompts and telling the II what you gave me is wrong.

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                        • Reading RecluseR Reading Recluse

                          The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

                          Refusing to read writing made with the use of LLMs and refusing to give time to writers who use, promote or justify the use of LLMs is not purity culture, it's a boycott. It's a political act of withdrawing my time, resources and support for something that I find deeply morally wrong. It's protest. I have a choice and I refuse.

                          LLMs are exploitative, destructive, biased, mediocre parroting machines. Using them has a negative impact on the climate, the arts, the quality of the internet, the job market, the economy, the accessibility of electronics, even on skill development, creativity and mental health. LLMs are made and trained on the unpaid labour of millions -if not billions- of people who didn't consent. Their generic output litter the path to finding anything by true human creators.

                          Wherever I can, for as long as I can, I reject LLMs and anything that is related to them. I'm boycotting.

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                          @reading_recluse Das ist das schöne am Netz, jede:r kann selbst entscheiden, was man liest und was nicht 🤗

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                          • PapageierP Papageier

                            @reading_recluse You do wear machine-woven cloth, though, no?

                            Seriously: Why?

                            It's exploitative, the quality is mediocre, it kills jobs, it's a waste of resources, consumes vast amounts of energy, hinders creativity, destroys small businesses, forces uniformity onto people ... why wear it?

                            Because not doing so would be a waste of time. And time is the one resource that's (still) strictly limited for all of us. We compromise on the quality of clothing (debatable), in order to do other things we couldn't if we were still weaving cloth manually.

                            When mechanical weaving machines came about, the workers threw their wooden shoes, in French 'Sabot', into the machines to stop them.

                            All that is left of this effort is a word describing the futile attempt: Sabotage.

                            So protest all you like, it's just not going to get you anywhere.

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                            @papageier @reading_recluse a) clothing is to some degree essential. A clothing industry has to exist.
                            b) we may still complain about the bad practices of said industry, do what we can to mitigate it, demand legislation to regulate it, choose providers that operate more repsonsibly to the degree that we can afford it. Plenty of people with the skills still actually make some of their own clothes. We don't have to silently accept the bad things.
                            eta: what the AI companies want to sell is not the clothing, but the machine to enslave the people who make the clothing.

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                              @elena23 @reading_recluse Maybe you should shut the fuck up. *plonk*

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                              • PapageierP Papageier

                                @reading_recluse You do wear machine-woven cloth, though, no?

                                Seriously: Why?

                                It's exploitative, the quality is mediocre, it kills jobs, it's a waste of resources, consumes vast amounts of energy, hinders creativity, destroys small businesses, forces uniformity onto people ... why wear it?

                                Because not doing so would be a waste of time. And time is the one resource that's (still) strictly limited for all of us. We compromise on the quality of clothing (debatable), in order to do other things we couldn't if we were still weaving cloth manually.

                                When mechanical weaving machines came about, the workers threw their wooden shoes, in French 'Sabot', into the machines to stop them.

                                All that is left of this effort is a word describing the futile attempt: Sabotage.

                                So protest all you like, it's just not going to get you anywhere.

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                                @papageier
                                You are right that there has always been a protest to mechanising jobs. Black smiths when a nail cutting machine was invented for example.

                                There is a difference here since a notable portion of its function is at the academic level.

                                So let's say I need to write a book report, instead of reading the book I read an LLM summary, then write and publish my report.

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                                • Reading RecluseR Reading Recluse

                                  The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

                                  Refusing to read writing made with the use of LLMs and refusing to give time to writers who use, promote or justify the use of LLMs is not purity culture, it's a boycott. It's a political act of withdrawing my time, resources and support for something that I find deeply morally wrong. It's protest. I have a choice and I refuse.

                                  LLMs are exploitative, destructive, biased, mediocre parroting machines. Using them has a negative impact on the climate, the arts, the quality of the internet, the job market, the economy, the accessibility of electronics, even on skill development, creativity and mental health. LLMs are made and trained on the unpaid labour of millions -if not billions- of people who didn't consent. Their generic output litter the path to finding anything by true human creators.

                                  Wherever I can, for as long as I can, I reject LLMs and anything that is related to them. I'm boycotting.

                                  Morten Juhl-JohansenM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @reading_recluse Yes. I concur.

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                                  • Reading RecluseR Reading Recluse

                                    The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

                                    Refusing to read writing made with the use of LLMs and refusing to give time to writers who use, promote or justify the use of LLMs is not purity culture, it's a boycott. It's a political act of withdrawing my time, resources and support for something that I find deeply morally wrong. It's protest. I have a choice and I refuse.

                                    LLMs are exploitative, destructive, biased, mediocre parroting machines. Using them has a negative impact on the climate, the arts, the quality of the internet, the job market, the economy, the accessibility of electronics, even on skill development, creativity and mental health. LLMs are made and trained on the unpaid labour of millions -if not billions- of people who didn't consent. Their generic output litter the path to finding anything by true human creators.

                                    Wherever I can, for as long as I can, I reject LLMs and anything that is related to them. I'm boycotting.

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                                    @reading_recluse @JRepin

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                                      @reading_recluse

                                      LLM are not an expression of speech nor creativity and simply digest, explore and reorder information available. They are a tool and can be useful to digest and explore information at great speed but essentially are not more than that.

                                      For anything in opinion, creativity, art and commenting I will be looking at human expression, always..

                                      The problem is society will be confronted with loads of LLM nonsense and disinformation in due time. Seeing it online more and more.

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                                      @xs4me2 @reading_recluse

                                      > can be useful to digest and explore information at great speed

                                      Nope. Still wrong. This is in fact something they are extremely and *dangerously* bad at.

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                                        @reading_recluse @JRepin

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                                        @lproven So eloquently said 👏 💯

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                                        • Reading RecluseR Reading Recluse

                                          The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

                                          Refusing to read writing made with the use of LLMs and refusing to give time to writers who use, promote or justify the use of LLMs is not purity culture, it's a boycott. It's a political act of withdrawing my time, resources and support for something that I find deeply morally wrong. It's protest. I have a choice and I refuse.

                                          LLMs are exploitative, destructive, biased, mediocre parroting machines. Using them has a negative impact on the climate, the arts, the quality of the internet, the job market, the economy, the accessibility of electronics, even on skill development, creativity and mental health. LLMs are made and trained on the unpaid labour of millions -if not billions- of people who didn't consent. Their generic output litter the path to finding anything by true human creators.

                                          Wherever I can, for as long as I can, I reject LLMs and anything that is related to them. I'm boycotting.

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                                          @reading_recluse
                                          ALL OF THIS!

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