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A major airline is going to make you pay to recline your seat

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  • G gramie@lemmy.ca

    Do you have any idea how much more expensive flying used to be? When I was small, in the 1960s, people might take one overseas flight in their lives. Some never did.

    A quick search indicates that a round-trip flight between New York and London in 1965 cost about $3,500 in today’s dollars. Now it averages $800.

    Not that I disagree that airlines are nickel and diming people and keep pushing to see how far they can go before it hurts their bottom line.

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    tubulartittyfrog@lemmy.world
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    #31

    Why should people be able to fly for cheap?

    Air travel is the single biggest contributor to CO2 pollution that the average person produces. Environmentally speaking, air travel should more expensive.

    And we have overtourism running rampant now precisely because air travel is now so cheap, destroying many local economies in tourism hot spots.

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    • R raiderkev@lemmy.world

      I’m ok with that. Make it $800 for all I care. I have long legs. Fuck people who recline their seats.

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      k_rol
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      I have back and neck problem, I say fuck people with long legs, I gotta recline on long flights.

      Your attitude kinda sucks, the airlines are the actual fucktwats who make our seating experience completely uncomfortable, not people who have different needs like you and I.

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      • T tubulartittyfrog@lemmy.world

        Why should people be able to fly for cheap?

        Air travel is the single biggest contributor to CO2 pollution that the average person produces. Environmentally speaking, air travel should more expensive.

        And we have overtourism running rampant now precisely because air travel is now so cheap, destroying many local economies in tourism hot spots.

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        dionysus@leminal.space
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        Totally, only the ultra wealthy should be able to afford flying.

        Those plebs crammed into economy are what’s really killing the planet. That’s why I’m glad I use paper straws so the CEO of Starbucks can fly 1000 miles a day on his private jet to work. RTO baby!

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        • C cm0002@sh.itjust.works

          This week, Canadian airline WestJet became one of the first to try to switch the ability to recline into a paid “perk” by announcing that it was reconfiguring 43 of its Boeing 737-8 MAX and 737-800 (BA) planes to have what it classifies as a “refreshed range of seating options.”

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          bitjunkie@lemmy.world
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          #34

          The hell they are…

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          • S skozzii@lemmy.ca

            Good, about time.

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            corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
            wrote on last edited by corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
            #35

            Psst! “Reclining” an airline seat tilts it 5 degrees back to almost where it’s comfortable like a normal non-reclining chair. They moved their “normal” forward so they could jam you right up against the row ahead that much more.

            Westjet is poised to move from #2 worst airline in the developed world to #1, but Canada’s only other national airline will surely reclaim the #1 worst airline in the developed world spot if it does lose it to #2.

            These are the foreign-owned airlines serving Canada, kids. Fly them only when you must.

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            • C chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world

              The airline industry figured out long ago that people will suffer the most miserable flights possible in order to save money but they will absolutely take free comfort upgrades. If they do this it’s to save money and make the flight cheaper because if other airlines offer reclining seats at the same price customers will take those instead as a free upgrade.

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              corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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              #36

              You mean “to increase profits”…

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              • C corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca

                You mean “to increase profits”…

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                chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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                #37

                That’s less specific. You can increase profits by saving money (reducing costs) or you can increase profits by selling more (increasing sales).

                This plan to take away reclining seats is unlikely to increase sales!

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                • K k_rol

                  I have back and neck problem, I say fuck people with long legs, I gotta recline on long flights.

                  Your attitude kinda sucks, the airlines are the actual fucktwats who make our seating experience completely uncomfortable, not people who have different needs like you and I.

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                  joebigelow@lemmy.ca
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                  #38

                  I am a person, and fuck people.

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                  • C cm0002@sh.itjust.works

                    This week, Canadian airline WestJet became one of the first to try to switch the ability to recline into a paid “perk” by announcing that it was reconfiguring 43 of its Boeing 737-8 MAX and 737-800 (BA) planes to have what it classifies as a “refreshed range of seating options.”

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                    hertzdentalbar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                    #39

                    Flew back from Hawaii on WestJet last year and paid for extended comfort… I don’t regret it purely because it would of been an even shittier experience otherwise.

                    This is just about greed it’s not to make it more affordable. they changed everything last year making it far more expensive for everything. Not to mention their points have gone to shit and their companion vouchers are worthless.

                    Nationalize the airlines and remove the profit motives.

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                    • C chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world

                      The airline industry figured out long ago that people will suffer the most miserable flights possible in order to save money but they will absolutely take free comfort upgrades. If they do this it’s to save money and make the flight cheaper because if other airlines offer reclining seats at the same price customers will take those instead as a free upgrade.

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                      eranziel@lemmy.world
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                      Please explain how this saves them money? All I see is finding ways to upcharge customers for what used to be standard options, while maybe cramming in one more row of passengers.

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                      • E eranziel@lemmy.world

                        Please explain how this saves them money? All I see is finding ways to upcharge customers for what used to be standard options, while maybe cramming in one more row of passengers.

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                        chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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                        Cramming in one more row of passengers means you get more passengers per flight => each passenger costs less to fly.

                        I don’t actually know if they’re going to fit in one more row though. Maybe the non-reclining seats are lighter in weight? That would save money on fuel costs.

                        If the system for optional reclining seats actually adds weight to the plane then they’re taking a gamble that enough passengers will pay extra for the reclining to pay for the additional fuel costs. That could backfire!

                        In a lot of ways this seems like an experiment that could backfire, even if it doesn’t risk increasing flight costs on some flights. Only time will tell!

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                        • N narrativebear@lemmy.world

                          Pamphlets and brochures are being replaced with more accurate, updated versions.

                          1000034701

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                          ataridump@lemmy.world
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                          Oxygen gets you high. In a catastrophic emergency, you’re taking giant panicked breaths. Suddenly you become euphoric, docile. You accept your fate. It’s all right here. Emergency water landing - 600 miles an hour. Blank faces, calm as Hindu cows

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                          • D dionysus@leminal.space

                            Totally, only the ultra wealthy should be able to afford flying.

                            Those plebs crammed into economy are what’s really killing the planet. That’s why I’m glad I use paper straws so the CEO of Starbucks can fly 1000 miles a day on his private jet to work. RTO baby!

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                            ataridump@lemmy.world
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                            • T thereturnofpeb@reddthat.com

                              are you in a “paid for oxygen row” or a “hold your breath” row ?

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                              ataridump@lemmy.world
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                              #44

                              Don’t give Omar Baba any ideas!

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                              • C cm0002@sh.itjust.works

                                This week, Canadian airline WestJet became one of the first to try to switch the ability to recline into a paid “perk” by announcing that it was reconfiguring 43 of its Boeing 737-8 MAX and 737-800 (BA) planes to have what it classifies as a “refreshed range of seating options.”

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                                lushed_lungfish@lemmy.ca
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                                Anyone remember when Air Canada really was a great airline?

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                                • C cm0002@sh.itjust.works

                                  This week, Canadian airline WestJet became one of the first to try to switch the ability to recline into a paid “perk” by announcing that it was reconfiguring 43 of its Boeing 737-8 MAX and 737-800 (BA) planes to have what it classifies as a “refreshed range of seating options.”

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                                  k0e3@lemmy.ca
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                                  If charge by the minute if I were them.

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                                  • joebigelow@lemmy.caJ joebigelow@lemmy.ca

                                    I am a person, and fuck people.

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                                    fuckfascism@lemmy.world
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                                    I am fuck

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                                    • A ataridump@lemmy.world

                                      Oxygen gets you high. In a catastrophic emergency, you’re taking giant panicked breaths. Suddenly you become euphoric, docile. You accept your fate. It’s all right here. Emergency water landing - 600 miles an hour. Blank faces, calm as Hindu cows

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                                      narrativebear@lemmy.world
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                                      You my friend are single serving

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                                      • N narrativebear@lemmy.world

                                        You my friend are single serving

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                                        ataridump@lemmy.world
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                                        Thanks! 😊

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                                        • H hertzdentalbar@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                          Flew back from Hawaii on WestJet last year and paid for extended comfort… I don’t regret it purely because it would of been an even shittier experience otherwise.

                                          This is just about greed it’s not to make it more affordable. they changed everything last year making it far more expensive for everything. Not to mention their points have gone to shit and their companion vouchers are worthless.

                                          Nationalize the airlines and remove the profit motives.

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                                          tiger666@lemmy.ca
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                                          Nationalize everything.

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