I never played that much GURPS.
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@Taskerland the one time I played GURPS was on Roll20 VTT that handled all of the complicated stuff in the background - I canโt imagine playing it with pencil and paper.
@satsuma @Taskerland your tolerance of complexity might differ, but I found play quite pleasant comparen to making characters.
What makes my stop for a second is the insight we used to be able to play GURPS, Rolemaster and Phoenix Command when younger. VTT tools are amazing, but where we smarter when we where kids?
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@Taskerland the idea of character "builds" are blamed on D&D 3rd ed, but I think GURPS/Hero started it. They both play ok (I've tried one session of each), but character generation really doesn't work when getting a character "just like you want it" isn't what you want.
I still dreasm of TFT as a neat little game, because the good parts, actual play, is there but chracter generation is so much slimmer than GURPS.
"Builds" really isn't my thing. I do own dozens of GURPS 3rd ed books, though!
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@satsuma @Taskerland your tolerance of complexity might differ, but I found play quite pleasant comparen to making characters.
What makes my stop for a second is the insight we used to be able to play GURPS, Rolemaster and Phoenix Command when younger. VTT tools are amazing, but where we smarter when we where kids?
@AndreasDavour @Taskerland maybe we just had more tolerance for complicated calculations and better eyesight- I really struggle with A4 paper character sheets that have a lot of information in small fonts.
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@Taskerland I've started to connect the dots a bit, related to this insight about myself and what I like.
I have never managed to have fun with Ars Magica, and the building and managing a covenant never seemed to click for me.
Considering your feelings about "builds", what's your relationship with Ars Magica?
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In hindsight, I suspect learning how to use GURPS might have saved me from years of weird BRP kit-bashes but I have never found making characters all that interesting in-and-of-itself and everything in GURPS feels like one form or another of character creation.
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@satsuma @Taskerland your tolerance of complexity might differ, but I found play quite pleasant comparen to making characters.
What makes my stop for a second is the insight we used to be able to play GURPS, Rolemaster and Phoenix Command when younger. VTT tools are amazing, but where we smarter when we where kids?
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@AndreasDavour @Taskerland maybe we just had more tolerance for complicated calculations and better eyesight- I really struggle with A4 paper character sheets that have a lot of information in small fonts.
@satsuma @Taskerland you might be onto something. Eyesight issues are definitely a thing as you age...
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@Taskerland I've started to connect the dots a bit, related to this insight about myself and what I like.
I have never managed to have fun with Ars Magica, and the building and managing a covenant never seemed to click for me.
Considering your feelings about "builds", what's your relationship with Ars Magica?
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@Taskerland @AndreasDavour we were playing a post apocalyptic mega game set on Tenerife with lots of different guns and modifiers - just being able to click a button to make the shooting roll was a big help.
White Hounds Holocaust: Aftermath style roleplaying in Tenerife
This page pulls together background posts and session write ups (including music numbers, poems & radio news reports) for my 2021-22 roleplaying project. A GURPS powered series of campaigns set in Tenerife in 2051 thirty one years after solar flares, meteor strikes, limited nuclear strikes and Covid have destroyed civilisation. i have to say iโฆ
Kehaar's Blog (clarkythecruel.wordpress.com)
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@satsuma @Taskerland you might be onto something. Eyesight issues are definitely a thing as you age...
@AndreasDavour @Taskerland the last time I played Dragonbane at a con the GM had printed the character sheets on an A3 colour printer which made a huge difference!
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@Taskerland huh, an all grog group sounds intriguing!
It sounds like our tolerances for the complexities of the game are quite similar. I kind of wish I could play in a game where the GM takes care of everything.
I did recently buy the 2nd ed, which was the one I first encountered. I skimmed it, and it did look more tolerable. Is it the TFT to my Ars Magica? Maybe one day.
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@Taskerland @AndreasDavour we were playing a post apocalyptic mega game set on Tenerife with lots of different guns and modifiers - just being able to click a button to make the shooting roll was a big help.
White Hounds Holocaust: Aftermath style roleplaying in Tenerife
This page pulls together background posts and session write ups (including music numbers, poems & radio news reports) for my 2021-22 roleplaying project. A GURPS powered series of campaigns set in Tenerife in 2051 thirty one years after solar flares, meteor strikes, limited nuclear strikes and Covid have destroyed civilisation. i have to say iโฆ
Kehaar's Blog (clarkythecruel.wordpress.com)
@satsuma @Taskerland in that kind of setting I can see a VTT as quite useful, indeed.
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@Taskerland huh, an all grog group sounds intriguing!
It sounds like our tolerances for the complexities of the game are quite similar. I kind of wish I could play in a game where the GM takes care of everything.
I did recently buy the 2nd ed, which was the one I first encountered. I skimmed it, and it did look more tolerable. Is it the TFT to my Ars Magica? Maybe one day.
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@Taskerland I didn't mention it, but I have the same love/hate relationship with Traveller as I have with Ars Magica.
Accountants in space... Bluergh!
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@Taskerland I didn't mention it, but I have the same love/hate relationship with Traveller as I have with Ars Magica.
Accountants in space... Bluergh!
@Taskerland... and I own *so* many Traveller books!!
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I never played that much GURPS. I used to buy the books for the way that they would look at their subject matter through a variety of lenses.
It's very much RPG-as-toolkit which I like but I always felt that GURPS was geared towards trope-wrangling like 'What if it's a western but with mechs?' or 'What if the British empire has super heroes?' and my mind doesn't really work that way.
I also played it at a club and we played in 5 game blocks and the entire first session was characters.
@Taskerland My problem with GURPS was that it very much rewarded number crunchers over people who just wanted to make a character and move on. I played in an SF game of GURPS3 where I made a navigator, someone made a captain, someone made an engineer, someone made a marine, and the final person, an old GURPS hand to our neophyte status, made the helmsman.
Who was better at literally every job on the ship than anybody else who'd made specialists.
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@Taskerland My problem with GURPS was that it very much rewarded number crunchers over people who just wanted to make a character and move on. I played in an SF game of GURPS3 where I made a navigator, someone made a captain, someone made an engineer, someone made a marine, and the final person, an old GURPS hand to our neophyte status, made the helmsman.
Who was better at literally every job on the ship than anybody else who'd made specialists.
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๏ธ@Taskerland That's when I realized that GURPS character points attempt to model nothing except how much your character costs in GURPS character points.
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