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Valve bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ solitaire game [Flick Solitaire] pulled from russian Steam [cited a 2006 federal law prohibiting the "promotion of non-traditional sexualities"]

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  • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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    Valve Bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ Solitaire Game Pulled from Russian Steam

    Valve sparks outrage by removing the LGBTQ+ inclusive game Flick Solitaire from Steam in Russia, bowing to Kremlin censorship demands while Apple and Google refuse.

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    When “the right thing to do” enters in conflict with “what maximises profits”, businesses almost always pick the later.

    What makes this decision particularly stark is the response from other tech giants. The same censorship notice was sent to Apple and Google, as the game has been available on their Russian mobile stores since 2020. Both companies reportedly ignored the request, leaving Flick Solitaire available for download.

    It’s a matter of relative power.

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    • S son_of_macha@lemmy.cafe

      Why the fuck is Steam still in Russia?

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      反いじめ戦隊
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      Gabe needs НКВД money.

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      • Omega (she/her)P Omega (she/her)

        How about having some fucking backbone?

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        slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca
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        If they don’t like it, they can leave Russia.

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        • F frongt@lemmy.zip

          Generally yes, but legality is not ethics.

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          slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca
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          Where do you draw that line?

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          • S slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca

            Where do you draw that line?

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            njm1314@lemmy.world
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            Start here?

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            • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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              Valve Bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ Solitaire Game Pulled from Russian Steam

              Valve sparks outrage by removing the LGBTQ+ inclusive game Flick Solitaire from Steam in Russia, bowing to Kremlin censorship demands while Apple and Google refuse.

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              cv_octavio
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              Takes games put in cart for black Friday sale out of cart. Goes outside instead.

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              • 反いじめ戦隊A 反いじめ戦隊

                comply with the law

                Because Google & Apple don’t comply w/homophobic imperial out-border “laws.”

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                jaselle@lemmy.ca
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                Are you sure about that? Apple.

                Google, fair enough, but I don’t know to what extent they actually do business in Russia. Can you buy a pixel in Russia?

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                • P PonyOfWar

                  The sanctions did impact Steam’s operations in Russia. Russian users currently can’t use any payment methods to buy games aside from Steam Wallet funds.

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                  jaselle@lemmy.ca
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                  Then yeah, I’m surprised valve is cooperating. I suppose they are planning for the future, should the sanctions end.

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                  • A athatet@lemmy.zip

                    Valve should cease operating in Russia.

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                    DebatableRaccoon
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                    I don’t disagree.

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                      DebatableRaccoon
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                      #25

                      It’s not as simple as about backbone. I agree that ethics are a good reason to stop doing business with an individual but if a company like Valve were to pull out of every country based on ethical matters, they’d need to found their own country.

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                      • M Kühlschrank

                        Right? That was my question, why are they operating there at all right now

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                        Honse
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                        Valve had a big piracy problem in russia and it was ofc because of service issues. While I obviously don’t agree with this censorship and would prefer valve to entirely pull out of russia, I can see why they are absolutely not doing that. They want to provide the best PC gaming store service across the world, and they don’t want competitors or piracy to eat into their sales

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                        • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

                          ‘This isn’t “wokeness”, it’s basic human rights and equality and nothing more,’ he added. ‘If Steam can’t support free speech of LGBTQ+ people, then at the very least they should be transparent about this.’

                          What a bizarre response. Neither Roskomnadzor nor Valve claimed this had anything to do with “‘wokeness,’” and Steam was in fact transparent about this.

                          I don’t really get what anyone expects Valve to do here other than comply with the law. Still, I’m surprised they’re even able to operate in Russia given all the sanctions.

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                          dukemirage@lemmy.world
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                          They ignored (legitimate) youth protection laws long enough, they could ignore this one, too.

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                            ramble81@lemmy.zip
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                            “Non-traditional”? Homosexuality has been around and recorded since the Romans and even prior. 2000+ years isn’t traditional? That’s just as long as Christianity.

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                            • R ramble81@lemmy.zip

                              “Non-traditional”? Homosexuality has been around and recorded since the Romans and even prior. 2000+ years isn’t traditional? That’s just as long as Christianity.

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                              valmond@lemmy.world
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                              It’s a dictatorship. It’s not logic. Fuck the Kremlin.

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                              • A athatet@lemmy.zip

                                Valve should cease operating in Russia.

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                                warm
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                                Also, Valve with every other company should already have been ordered to stop operating in Russia by their respective countries.

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                                • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

                                  Are you sure about that? Apple.

                                  Google, fair enough, but I don’t know to what extent they actually do business in Russia. Can you buy a pixel in Russia?

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                                  反いじめ戦隊
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                                  I can’t answer if Pussians^inten^ can buy a pixel or not. But I guess even Tim Cook needs НКВД money.

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                                    sabinstargem@lemmy.today
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                                    This sucks.

                                    However, I think it is important for Steam to continue operating in Russia: by seeing the living standards of other people across the world, younger Russians will develop those same expectations. Everyday things like furnishings, food, how people treat each other, and so forth. When the Russia we know dies, it will be important for the Russians of the future to have ideas and desires to drive them forward. Also, Russian authorities won’t be able to fully inspect ALL media for LGBTQ+, which means that people will see something that they “shouldn’t”.

                                    In the long run, the media that people consume will determine how they feel their nation should become. It is my hope that Putin’s Russia will die in the coming years, and a better nation born from the ashes.

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                                    • N njm1314@lemmy.world

                                      Start here?

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                                      slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca
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                                      #33

                                      Okay, we’ll impose Canadian morals, ethics and laws across the world. /s

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                                      • S slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca

                                        Okay, we’ll impose Canadian morals, ethics and laws across the world. /s

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                                        njm1314@lemmy.world
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                                        Good luck I guess? I was talking about the topic at hand. But the idea that you fucking Canucks are imperialist bastards is not a surprise.

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                                        • N njm1314@lemmy.world

                                          Good luck I guess? I was talking about the topic at hand. But the idea that you fucking Canucks are imperialist bastards is not a surprise.

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                                          slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca
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                                          K buddy.

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