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Valve bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ solitaire game [Flick Solitaire] pulled from russian Steam [cited a 2006 federal law prohibiting the "promotion of non-traditional sexualities"]

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  • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

    Are you sure about that? Apple.

    Google, fair enough, but I don’t know to what extent they actually do business in Russia. Can you buy a pixel in Russia?

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    反いじめ戦隊
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    I can’t answer if Pussians^inten^ can buy a pixel or not. But I guess even Tim Cook needs НКВД money.

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      Valve Bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ Solitaire Game Pulled from Russian Steam

      Valve sparks outrage by removing the LGBTQ+ inclusive game Flick Solitaire from Steam in Russia, bowing to Kremlin censorship demands while Apple and Google refuse.

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      sabinstargem@lemmy.today
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      This sucks.

      However, I think it is important for Steam to continue operating in Russia: by seeing the living standards of other people across the world, younger Russians will develop those same expectations. Everyday things like furnishings, food, how people treat each other, and so forth. When the Russia we know dies, it will be important for the Russians of the future to have ideas and desires to drive them forward. Also, Russian authorities won’t be able to fully inspect ALL media for LGBTQ+, which means that people will see something that they “shouldn’t”.

      In the long run, the media that people consume will determine how they feel their nation should become. It is my hope that Putin’s Russia will die in the coming years, and a better nation born from the ashes.

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      • N njm1314@lemmy.world

        Start here?

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        slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca
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        #33

        Okay, we’ll impose Canadian morals, ethics and laws across the world. /s

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        • S slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca

          Okay, we’ll impose Canadian morals, ethics and laws across the world. /s

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          njm1314@lemmy.world
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          Good luck I guess? I was talking about the topic at hand. But the idea that you fucking Canucks are imperialist bastards is not a surprise.

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          • N njm1314@lemmy.world

            Good luck I guess? I was talking about the topic at hand. But the idea that you fucking Canucks are imperialist bastards is not a surprise.

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            slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca
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            K buddy.

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            • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

              Are you sure about that? Apple.

              Google, fair enough, but I don’t know to what extent they actually do business in Russia. Can you buy a pixel in Russia?

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              You couldn’t buy a Pixel in Russia even before the sanctions.

              Google did pause most of their Russian business. They don’t pay YouTube creators, don’t allow Google Play purchases, and while Google Workspace is available, it’s only with a non-Russian payment method. All the free online stuff is available same as before. They don’t comply with Roskomnadzor’s requests for content takedowns as far as I know (I might be wrong since I moved out of Russia and stopped paying close attention to it).

              But in the end, it all comes down to business. Apple sells their devices through “unofficial retailers” that were pretty official before sanctions. They have a much stronger business presence there. Google doesn’t, and they don’t have as much to lose so they can afford this PR stunt. I’m certain that if Google’s Russian business was stronger, they wouldn’t be so uncompromising.

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              • R ramble81@lemmy.zip

                “Non-traditional”? Homosexuality has been around and recorded since the Romans and even prior. 2000+ years isn’t traditional? That’s just as long as Christianity.

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                bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                It was illegal in the UK till the mid 60s, Russia is still holding out

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                  Victor
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                  What’s the alternative? They have to obey the law, right? What should they have done? How is this “bowing to Kremlin” as if they’re kneeling, waiting to suck their dick or something.

                  Genuinely curious about these questions.

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                  • F frongt@lemmy.zip

                    Pulling out of Russia entirely is an option. It’s not like they’re relying on them to stay in business.

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                    theobvioussolution@lemmy.ca
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                    #39

                    It is, but the alternative is that everything would get pirated instead. And like Trump, Russia is fishing for a “woke” escape goat to continue to come up with excuses to shut down exposure outside of the state controlled media, which Steam provides.

                    If Steam goes out of Russia, there will be a state sanctioned pirate streaming service for games, and it will include spyware. Steam isn’t just one entity, it is an entity for every country it decides to operate in.

                    Still, I’m not going to complete defend Valve on this, but at least they aren’t pulling a “many gamers complained about this and we listened” card. They also didn’t remove the game from the store in its entirely just because Russia was complaining, but limited access to it locally.

                    Maybe Valve should get out of Russia, but I don’t see this negatively affecting Russians as much as it will make the bubble they live in even more closed off. VPNs would be an alternative if Russia wasn’t criminalizing them.

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                    • D dukemirage@lemmy.world

                      They ignored (legitimate) youth protection laws long enough, they could ignore this one, too.

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                      jarix@lemmy.world
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                      ? Curious, any good places to look into this?

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                        imminentorbit@lemmy.world
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                        Your choice as Valve here is to either delist or not be in Russia. It is easy for me, as someone not in Russia, to cheer Valve to fight the good fight. But, it would suck if I were in Russia and suddenly lost access to my games.

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                        • S son_of_macha@lemmy.cafe

                          Why the fuck is Steam still in Russia?

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                          zotethemighty@lemmy.zip
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                          CSGO trolls from Russia probably make up like 20% of their total revenue.

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                          • I imminentorbit@lemmy.world

                            Your choice as Valve here is to either delist or not be in Russia. It is easy for me, as someone not in Russia, to cheer Valve to fight the good fight. But, it would suck if I were in Russia and suddenly lost access to my games.

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                            jazzkoalapaws@ttrpg.network
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                            But, it would suck if I were in Russia and suddenly lost access to my games.

                            Another reason not to rely on steam as a central point of failure.

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                            • V Victor

                              What’s the alternative? They have to obey the law, right? What should they have done? How is this “bowing to Kremlin” as if they’re kneeling, waiting to suck their dick or something.

                              Genuinely curious about these questions.

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                              jazzkoalapaws@ttrpg.network
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                              The alternative is to stop doing business with Russia.

                              They can be part of the problem, or part of the solution.

                              They chose the problem.

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                              • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

                                ‘This isn’t “wokeness”, it’s basic human rights and equality and nothing more,’ he added. ‘If Steam can’t support free speech of LGBTQ+ people, then at the very least they should be transparent about this.’

                                What a bizarre response. Neither Roskomnadzor nor Valve claimed this had anything to do with “‘wokeness,’” and Steam was in fact transparent about this.

                                I don’t really get what anyone expects Valve to do here other than comply with the law. Still, I’m surprised they’re even able to operate in Russia given all the sanctions.

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                                jazzkoalapaws@ttrpg.network
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                                I don’t really get what anyone expects Valve to do here other than comply with the law.

                                Lol.

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                                • D DebatableRaccoon

                                  That’s how to cease operating in a country.

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                                  jazzkoalapaws@ttrpg.network
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                                  Would that really be a bad thing?

                                  Steam is one service Russians can’t easily replace. If their backwards policies prevent it from operating there, maybe they would take steps to change them.

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                                  • S sabinstargem@lemmy.today

                                    This sucks.

                                    However, I think it is important for Steam to continue operating in Russia: by seeing the living standards of other people across the world, younger Russians will develop those same expectations. Everyday things like furnishings, food, how people treat each other, and so forth. When the Russia we know dies, it will be important for the Russians of the future to have ideas and desires to drive them forward. Also, Russian authorities won’t be able to fully inspect ALL media for LGBTQ+, which means that people will see something that they “shouldn’t”.

                                    In the long run, the media that people consume will determine how they feel their nation should become. It is my hope that Putin’s Russia will die in the coming years, and a better nation born from the ashes.

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                                    ɯᴉuoʇuɐ
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                                    #47

                                    Everyday things like furnishings, food, how people treat each other, and so forth.

                                    Russia is not a post-apocalyptic hellscape (yet). They have pretty much the same food and furnishing as anyone else in the west. And learning about how people across the world treat each other from video games sounds like a horrible idea.

                                    Russians have been consuming US culture slop for a long while. Turns out, it doesn’t help.

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                                    • ɯᴉuoʇuɐA ɯᴉuoʇuɐ

                                      Everyday things like furnishings, food, how people treat each other, and so forth.

                                      Russia is not a post-apocalyptic hellscape (yet). They have pretty much the same food and furnishing as anyone else in the west. And learning about how people across the world treat each other from video games sounds like a horrible idea.

                                      Russians have been consuming US culture slop for a long while. Turns out, it doesn’t help.

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                                      The Quuuuuill
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                                      there’s also a troubling trend in the gaming industry for the very most right wing propaganda to be promoted and pushed alongside gaming content. steam is not the true exposure to liberating ideology that will wake the chauvinists up. far more likely to make them go, “see, this is how the world works.”

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                                      • ɯᴉuoʇuɐA ɯᴉuoʇuɐ

                                        Everyday things like furnishings, food, how people treat each other, and so forth.

                                        Russia is not a post-apocalyptic hellscape (yet). They have pretty much the same food and furnishing as anyone else in the west. And learning about how people across the world treat each other from video games sounds like a horrible idea.

                                        Russians have been consuming US culture slop for a long while. Turns out, it doesn’t help.

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                                        sabinstargem@lemmy.today
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                                        #49

                                        A: Videogames are not just made by the US. As it turns out, Europe, Asia, Africa, and many other places create stuff. It is a way for people to explore other cultures, without needing a plane ticket nor permission from governments.

                                        B: Russia isn’t known for its general prosperity for the ordinary person. Also, it is in a state of war, which means less of everything that people like. Constant reminders of what isn’t there, may speed an end to Russia’s aggression. Hopefully, things will go Nepalese.

                                        😄 Be it books, games, or movies, the fundamental crux in many of them revolves around the interactions of people. A major element of videogames is helping out people and being helped in turn, trading things, meeting folks with different ideas and appearances, ect. These are good things for people to learn.

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                                        • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

                                          It was illegal in the UK till the mid 60s, Russia is still holding out

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                                          rooroo@feddit.org
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                                          Nah, they actively got worse as authoritarian governments are wont to do.

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