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'There are no plans to drop support for SteamOS': The Finals devs commit to Steam Deck and Linux players despite new kernel-level anti-cheat

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  • andyburkeA andyburke

    keep your anticheat code off my cpu and on the server where it belongs.

    wtf.

    why is this so fucking hard for developers to understand?

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    Ulrich
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    Why is it so hard to understand that code on your CPU is far more effective?

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    • UlrichU Ulrich

      Why is it so hard to understand that code on your CPU is far more effective?

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      andyburke
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      #5

      Citation needed.

      Not sure how or why MY cpu is supposed to do the work a company should do to provide a decent online experience. Especially when the server, where all the clients are coordinated, is the best place to analyze the data stream for anomalies. Not to mention you just cannot ever trust the client to be running the the code it says it is on the hardware it says it is. The server is where anti-cheat has always belonged. (And tbh just sending the right data to the right clients would win half the fucking battle.)

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      • andyburkeA andyburke

        Citation needed.

        Not sure how or why MY cpu is supposed to do the work a company should do to provide a decent online experience. Especially when the server, where all the clients are coordinated, is the best place to analyze the data stream for anomalies. Not to mention you just cannot ever trust the client to be running the the code it says it is on the hardware it says it is. The server is where anti-cheat has always belonged. (And tbh just sending the right data to the right clients would win half the fucking battle.)

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        Ulrich
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        My citation is simply experience playing many different online multiplayer games and simple observation skills. If you had the same you’d understand.

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        • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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          toneswirly@lemmy.world
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          Cheating has gotten pretty bad on this game, it really hurts the experience. Do I like giving someone this much access to my hardware; no. But i love the shit out of this game and i’ll take that risk to keep the small dick cheaters out of my lobbies.

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          • B blindbunny@lemmy.ml

            I honestly really like the finals. If they’re this based I can’t wait to see a single player game from them.

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            noforwardslashs@sopuli.xyz
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            #8

            You might be waiting a while for that. Venture capital funded and so far have made a Battle Royale and an Extraction Shooter. Will probably be a Survival game next if a new trend doesn’t come along first.

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              veryinterestingtable@jlai.lu
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              #9

              Best anti-cheat is to run games on local. Bring back LANs. Gaming on internet was a mistake xD

              I hope LAN café become more popular.

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              • N noforwardslashs@sopuli.xyz

                You might be waiting a while for that. Venture capital funded and so far have made a Battle Royale and an Extraction Shooter. Will probably be a Survival game next if a new trend doesn’t come along first.

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                borari
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                #10

                Battle Royale? Do you think the finals is a battle royale? Do you know what a battle royale even is? Because the finals is pretty obviously not a battle royale bro jfc.

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                • borariB borari

                  Battle Royale? Do you think the finals is a battle royale? Do you know what a battle royale even is? Because the finals is pretty obviously not a battle royale bro jfc.

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                  noforwardslashs@sopuli.xyz
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                  Battle Royale bro? Not in the strictest sense of “is it PUBG”, but it has a lot of the genre’s elements in there. It’s basically a hyper speed Hunger Games with heroes. I’d say it’s a fusion of BR and Hero Shooter for sure.

                  The point is, it is about as far from a single player experience as you are going to get.

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                  • N noforwardslashs@sopuli.xyz

                    Battle Royale bro? Not in the strictest sense of “is it PUBG”, but it has a lot of the genre’s elements in there. It’s basically a hyper speed Hunger Games with heroes. I’d say it’s a fusion of BR and Hero Shooter for sure.

                    The point is, it is about as far from a single player experience as you are going to get.

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                    borari
                    wrote last edited by borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                    #12

                    You’ve got to be joking me. It’s closer to an arena shooter than a battle royale. You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.

                    It’s basically a hyper speed Hunger Games with heroes

                    Ok first there’s no fucking heroes. There are classes with specializations, but classes are the exact opposite of heroes. I guess Battlefield 3 is a hero shooter now bc they have classes? Second, if you think that this game has anything in common with hunger games you’re not just batshit, but then you also must think that literally every shooter is like hunger games.

                    The point is, it is about as far from a single player experience as you are going to get.

                    Oh holy shit stop the fucking presses. An online multiplayer fps is not a single player game? No way. My mind is absolutely blown this whole time I thought my friends in my party were npc’s and I was playing a single player game.

                    it has a lot of the genre’s elements in there.

                    There’s really no point in continuing this conversation, but please tell me what battle royale elements does the finals have? I mean specific game elements, not just saying something vague like “it’s like hunger games”.

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                      Grey Cat
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                      Nah I can’t agree with this. I don’t think there are many games with anti-cheats solely on the server. Even Valve has its VAC.

                      I agree that Kernel anti-cheats are bullshit, I don’t want a rootkit on my system. But if you are already running a closed-source game, it’s not a stretch to run its local anti-cheat.

                      And local anti-cheats make sense in and of themselves since you can’t easily detect things like visual hacks from the server-side.

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                        NutWrench
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                        I switched to Linux to get AWAY from root kits and corporate malware.

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                        • B blindbunny@lemmy.ml

                          I honestly really like the finals. If they’re this based I can’t wait to see a single player game from them.

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                          bleys@lemmy.world
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                          Based

                          Use AI instead of paying voice actors

                          That’s a pass from me, dog

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                          • borariB borari

                            You’ve got to be joking me. It’s closer to an arena shooter than a battle royale. You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.

                            It’s basically a hyper speed Hunger Games with heroes

                            Ok first there’s no fucking heroes. There are classes with specializations, but classes are the exact opposite of heroes. I guess Battlefield 3 is a hero shooter now bc they have classes? Second, if you think that this game has anything in common with hunger games you’re not just batshit, but then you also must think that literally every shooter is like hunger games.

                            The point is, it is about as far from a single player experience as you are going to get.

                            Oh holy shit stop the fucking presses. An online multiplayer fps is not a single player game? No way. My mind is absolutely blown this whole time I thought my friends in my party were npc’s and I was playing a single player game.

                            it has a lot of the genre’s elements in there.

                            There’s really no point in continuing this conversation, but please tell me what battle royale elements does the finals have? I mean specific game elements, not just saying something vague like “it’s like hunger games”.

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                            noforwardslashs@sopuli.xyz
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                            Take the blinkers off, have a sip of water, calm yourself down a bit.

                            I love The Finals. You don’t need to jump into a thread to defend it from me like it’s your first lover. Getting worked up about me labelling it a Hero Shooter and then stating it has zero elements of a Battle Royale is absolutely deranged. Battlefield is literally one of the origins of the hero shooter genre. Classes and gadgets are very customizable but have hero shooter mechanics in that the 3 different body types have distinct abilities and utilities.

                            It may not be a “circle closes on one lifed competitiors” pure PUBG BR. But it is a dystopian game show where people (albeit avatars) are pitted against each other in a fight to the death (albeit with a monetary points scoring element). Like, you know, Battle Royale.

                            Oh holy shit stop the fucking presses. An online multiplayer fps is not a single player game? No way.

                            Oh so you agree they tend to make only multiplayer live service games? Which was my entire point. I guess there was no reason to argue about genre based semantics at all!

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                            • B bleys@lemmy.world

                              Based

                              Use AI instead of paying voice actors

                              That’s a pass from me, dog

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                              blindbunny@lemmy.ml
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                              I though they were paid voice actors? I’m pretty sure they had credits in the game.

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                              • B blindbunny@lemmy.ml

                                I though they were paid voice actors? I’m pretty sure they had credits in the game.

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                                bleys@lemmy.world
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                                They paid them one time to use their voices for AI generation, which is a sketchy practice notwithstanding the fact it makes the voices sound unnatural and is effectively just an excuse to not pay workers.

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                                • B bleys@lemmy.world

                                  They paid them one time to use their voices for AI generation, which is a sketchy practice notwithstanding the fact it makes the voices sound unnatural and is effectively just an excuse to not pay workers.

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                                  blindbunny@lemmy.ml
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                                  Honestly I was fooled. I thought they paid the folks for new lines. But I honestly didn’t look into it. Damn scared I’m gonna get some yuck next time I play it.

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                                  • N noforwardslashs@sopuli.xyz

                                    Take the blinkers off, have a sip of water, calm yourself down a bit.

                                    I love The Finals. You don’t need to jump into a thread to defend it from me like it’s your first lover. Getting worked up about me labelling it a Hero Shooter and then stating it has zero elements of a Battle Royale is absolutely deranged. Battlefield is literally one of the origins of the hero shooter genre. Classes and gadgets are very customizable but have hero shooter mechanics in that the 3 different body types have distinct abilities and utilities.

                                    It may not be a “circle closes on one lifed competitiors” pure PUBG BR. But it is a dystopian game show where people (albeit avatars) are pitted against each other in a fight to the death (albeit with a monetary points scoring element). Like, you know, Battle Royale.

                                    Oh holy shit stop the fucking presses. An online multiplayer fps is not a single player game? No way.

                                    Oh so you agree they tend to make only multiplayer live service games? Which was my entire point. I guess there was no reason to argue about genre based semantics at all!

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                                    borari
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                                    No one dies. It’s a virtual tournament. It’s literally paintball in the future. It’s not a battle royale. You’re insane if you think it’s a battle royale. Battle royale is a defined subgenre of fps at this point, and this carries none of the battle royale characteristics. You couldn’t come up with a single facet of this game that resembles a battle royale game, so you fell back to drawing comparisons with a Korean movie that still aren’t accurate.

                                    Cool I’m glad you like the game. I like it too. I’ve been playing since CB1. It’s not a BR and shares nothing in common with BRs.

                                    I’m not “defending it like it’s my lover” (which sounds incel af btw). Im not arguing with you about semantics. I’m clearly stating that you’re totally wrong about genres. So wildly incorrect that I’m convinced you’re trolling. I want to get into more of what you said about hero shooters, but further communication with you is probably going drive me to literal insanity. Good bye.

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                                    • borariB borari

                                      No one dies. It’s a virtual tournament. It’s literally paintball in the future. It’s not a battle royale. You’re insane if you think it’s a battle royale. Battle royale is a defined subgenre of fps at this point, and this carries none of the battle royale characteristics. You couldn’t come up with a single facet of this game that resembles a battle royale game, so you fell back to drawing comparisons with a Korean movie that still aren’t accurate.

                                      Cool I’m glad you like the game. I like it too. I’ve been playing since CB1. It’s not a BR and shares nothing in common with BRs.

                                      I’m not “defending it like it’s my lover” (which sounds incel af btw). Im not arguing with you about semantics. I’m clearly stating that you’re totally wrong about genres. So wildly incorrect that I’m convinced you’re trolling. I want to get into more of what you said about hero shooters, but further communication with you is probably going drive me to literal insanity. Good bye.

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                                      noforwardslashs@sopuli.xyz
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                                      So wildly incorrect that I’m convinced you’re trolling.

                                      You can think that if it helps you sleep if you like.

                                      I guess BRs must all have some sort of airdrop beginning, a deadly moving circle and permadeath. In which case I guess Apex, Warzone and PUBG itself ceased to be BRs since they introduced respawning. From now on, everything will be labelled “Arena Shooter”.

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