Gonna skip most of your response because you fail to understand that barriers to entry in these area continue falling and are unstoppable. You will have to address this.

Thanks for the discussion, but I don’t think there is much more that you and I could discuss productively here.

Did you read my username, or did you ignore that text like all the other text on your screen aside from the corporate messaging? At least you managed to understand my whole bit, if nothing else.

Meet you back here in a few years when Embark reveal their next game.

Ha, this was no fucking discussion. You moved the goal posts, I pointed out why that new goal is still not a problem today, and you’re now trying to worm your way out by saying you didn’t read my response.

Classy. Fucking classy.

You can’t expect the assholes who need to win to “just enjoy the game” when they aren’t playing multiplayer games for that reason.

As for point 2, every server-sode solution I’ve seen has just not worked lol. RuneScape comes to mind when I think of how much that seems to fail

Point taken. Still, I think designing the game around positive things like team work and rewarding experiences is important.

I can’t see why server side solutions won’t work when implemented properly. High ping? Just provide more servers and allow players to filter that out or do that automatically.

Yeah bro you don’t get to say absolutely wrong things as fact, defend them as fact, then say “hurr durr my username is no /s i was being super duper sarcastic the whole time”. I mean you can say it, but everyone sees right through you.

Hmmm, maybe you should read what I said again.

Game design is one of the only things that I try to engage with seriously on Lemmy. I was genuinely discussing elements of genres that aren’t as cut and dry as you dismissively poo pooed without actually providing any backup for what elements you think are crucial to any of those genres. There was no real discussion, but thst was not because of me throwing in some sarcasm occasionally.

The mods have removed some of my comments for some reason and I guess I will just stop engaging seriously here and go back to shitposting. Trying to talk seriously about elements of game design is obviously frowned upon and just repeatedly calling someone stupid and wrong is encouraged.

There’s many solutions ive heard like

• Associating an account with a Gov ID so bans are more permanent
• Maybe a reputation system? get kicked enough, or downvoted enough and you get permabanned
• many channels like ltt on the wan show and SomeOrdinayGamers (and many others) have talked about it extensively, but there’s always a drawback

All these options are based on some level of trust with someone or something and can be easily taken advantage of, but these are concepts nonetheless.

I dont know why the first solution is even a suggestion. It’s worse than having kernel/ring 0 anti cheat. You’re literally associating yourself by your real identity

You are correct as that is the whole point of that idea where you bind your ID to an account. The entire reason thats a suggestion (not that i like it at all either) is because of the fact anyone can evade:

• an account ban with a new account
• network ban with a vpn
• hardware ban with spoofed mac addresses, etc

In what other method is there to prevent some person from evading a ban? To answer your initial question, that is the reason. If Kenerl level anticheats are not acceptable then this is one of the only options left that allows us to bind some person to an account and actually enforce a permaban.

Yes:

• fake government IDs are a thing
• cracked/hacked/spoofed clients are a thing.

But otherwise, there is NOTHING you can tie an account to a person that’s avaliable to enforce a ban. Nothing is unhackable, or unspoofable. Literally a cat n mouse game that has no winners.

Even if it’s worse in your opinion than having kernal level anti-cheat, it’s picking between two deadly poisons. IMO i just dont play games that require anticheat, or play any competitive games. too toxic and stressful for me personally to even install something like that.

Technically Valve themselves is that. That have VAC-anticheat, which is connected to your account. unless you get money into your account soley through gift cards, they have your card info, or paypal. They have drm, but not kernel level. your CC has your legal name, and billing address. About as Government ID as it gets with honestly ANY game with microtransactions in it that allows you to put raw CC details in it.

// as a side thought/rant //

if it’s super necessary to play/engage with those games, why not have a seperate OS specifically for gaming? either to dual boot, or seperate pc altogether, and just pipe the display output as a PIP or use as a second monitor? then its seperated and not compromising of your actual OS?

It also comes down to other loooooads of other factors, but (IMO) it comes down the fact that companies overcharge, (insert other xyz reasons), which people dont want to pay full price or at all for so they pirate, which make companies put more and more invasive drms/anticheats, which snowballs. especially with online stuff, it’s because of the many bad actors (and with how lucrative that business is) that constantly abuse competitive games that IMO originated in good faith, but have had to clamp down super hard that made their protections soo bad. It’s the only way they can protect their playerbase, game, and sales reliably (insert denuvo controversies here).

TLDR: Pick a deadly poison, its all bad ideas. Imo, dont play live service games, and play more indie stuff.