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    Drop it and run! [New symbol warns of radiation dangers and aims to save lives]

    The black-and-yellow trefoil symbol - long the accepted label for denoting radioactive material - is getting a companion. And it's hoped that the new symbol will alert more people to the potential dangers of large sources of ionizing radiation and save lives. Unlike some signs of danger - like the commonly used skull-and-crossbones icon that seems to scream out both 'poison' and 'pirates' the trefoil symbol has little recognition beyond the nuclear community. This was learned from a five-year IAEA-led study to evaluate the best symbol to convey radiation danger. The vast majority of respondents tested in an eleven-country survey had no idea what the symbol meant nor had any knowledge of radiation. In fact, only 6% of those questioned in India, Brazil and Kenya could recognize the trefoil symbol for what it was. What resulted was a recommendation to design a universal system of labelling large radioactive sources. In 2001, IAEA Member States approved the new warning symbol project. The assignment was daunting. How to come up with a symbol that would be universally understood regardless of education, cultural orientation or age? The IAEA has recommended that the symbol be used on IAEA category 1, 2 and 3 sealed radiation sources (dangerous sources that can cause death or serious injury). The symbol was published in February 2007 by the ISO as (Supplementary Ionizing Radiation Warning Symbol : ISO 21482). The next challenge will be to publicize the new symbol within the industry and to obtain consistent implementation on large radioactive source.

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    • dasus@lemmy.worldD dasus@lemmy.world

      They have “ray of frost”. They can understand “radiation”. Not necessarily what is radiating but the word itself is old.

      radiation(n.)

      mid-15c., radiacion, “act or process of emitting light,” from Latin radiationem (nominative radiatio) “a shining, radiation,” noun of action from past-participle stem of radiare “to beam, shine, gleam; make beaming,” from radius “beam of light; spoke of a wheel” (see radius).

      Tldr “radiate” is like 1500’s whereas “emitter” is a fairly modern word, from the 1880’s.

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      squaresinger@lemmy.world
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      The latin source word is much older than 1500s, but the question is whether they understand what it’s about.

      Both the 15th century “radiacion” and the latin “radiationem” are about emitting light and are synonymous with “to shine” or “to glow” (though without the heat connotation).

      None of that conveys the sense of danger and fear of death that the modern word “radiation” means.

      Kinda like how the word “plane” was in use in English in the 1600s and derives from the much older Latin word “planum”, but if I’d tell some from 1600s England or from ancient Rome that I took a plane/planum to another country, they’d be utterly confused about what that means.

      The word is the same (or at least very similar), but the concept is unknown.

      So you need to find a concept that’s similar to what you want to convey, and then use the fitting word.

      For example, someone from the 1600s might understand the term “flying machine” (which was a well-known word in use in research and “science fiction” at that time).

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        The latin source word is much older than 1500s, but the question is whether they understand what it’s about.

        Both the 15th century “radiacion” and the latin “radiationem” are about emitting light and are synonymous with “to shine” or “to glow” (though without the heat connotation).

        None of that conveys the sense of danger and fear of death that the modern word “radiation” means.

        Kinda like how the word “plane” was in use in English in the 1600s and derives from the much older Latin word “planum”, but if I’d tell some from 1600s England or from ancient Rome that I took a plane/planum to another country, they’d be utterly confused about what that means.

        The word is the same (or at least very similar), but the concept is unknown.

        So you need to find a concept that’s similar to what you want to convey, and then use the fitting word.

        For example, someone from the 1600s might understand the term “flying machine” (which was a well-known word in use in research and “science fiction” at that time).

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        No, they don’t convey the sense of danger, I agree.

        But “light-emitter” would be worse than “it radiates death/evil”, imho

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        • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksS starman2112@sh.itjust.works

          This glyph clearly portrays the object with the ☢️ symbol bringing someone back from the dead! We should consume the blue powder inside this metal case, as it’s clearly a kind of medicine

          This kind of symbology is never going to work. We know what archaeologists do when they understand the “you will die if you break this seal” message. Ain’t no symbol is going to keep a damn human from cracking open the glowy blue box

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          f_state@midwest.social
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          I mean, testing showed it generally got the point across even if people didn’t understand why it was dangerous

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            I mean, testing showed it generally got the point across even if people didn’t understand why it was dangerous

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            I’m curious what testing and what people. Unless it’s an as-yet uncontacted tribe in the Amazon rainforest, I’m not convinced that they successfully made a universally understood sign of danger.

            And even if the message gets across, I will reiterate: when archaeologists understand that a message says “entering here will kill you,” it only makes them want to enter more. Future post-post-apocalypse archaeologists will treat our nuclear waste disposal sites with as much care as a 19th century British scholar would have treated the pyramids. We’re a curious bunch. Best we can hope for is that we keep making Geiger counters

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            • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksS starman2112@sh.itjust.works

              I’m curious what testing and what people. Unless it’s an as-yet uncontacted tribe in the Amazon rainforest, I’m not convinced that they successfully made a universally understood sign of danger.

              And even if the message gets across, I will reiterate: when archaeologists understand that a message says “entering here will kill you,” it only makes them want to enter more. Future post-post-apocalypse archaeologists will treat our nuclear waste disposal sites with as much care as a 19th century British scholar would have treated the pyramids. We’re a curious bunch. Best we can hope for is that we keep making Geiger counters

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              f_state@midwest.social
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              People have put alot of thought into this exact topic and there’s no easy answers

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                People have put alot of thought into this exact topic and there’s no easy answers

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                I’m well aware. Personally, I like to think of it from the opposite perspective; what message might we find that someone could have written 10,000 years ago that would convince us not to mess with something? The only proposals that work are ones that involve translating the dangers of radioactivity to new languages. Either that, or bury it deep in a place that isn’t expected to be particularly habitable for a few thousand years. Every physical marker is just begging for an archaeologist to discover why exactly they were constructed

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                  I’m not feeling creative today so I’ll just write “Dildo joke”.

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                  monkemischief@lemmy.today
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                  “Something something - anything if you’re brave enough”

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                  • dasus@lemmy.worldD dasus@lemmy.world

                    No, they don’t convey the sense of danger, I agree.

                    But “light-emitter” would be worse than “it radiates death/evil”, imho

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                    squaresinger@lemmy.world
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                    You think?

                    A light emitter could be quite useful. If I am in a low-tech society, having a device or material that would emit light in the dark could be pretty desirable.

                    It might confuse me though, because that “light emitter” doesn’t actually emit any light at all. Maybe this ancient society was full of liers or maybe their devices are all expired and broken. Probably their warnings aren’t worth anything either.

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                      “Something something - anything if you’re brave enough”

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                      dragonstaff@leminal.space
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                      If your vial of Cobalt 60 doesn’t have a flared base…well…I suppose it doesn’t really matter. Have fun!

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                      • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksS starman2112@sh.itjust.works

                        I’m well aware. Personally, I like to think of it from the opposite perspective; what message might we find that someone could have written 10,000 years ago that would convince us not to mess with something? The only proposals that work are ones that involve translating the dangers of radioactivity to new languages. Either that, or bury it deep in a place that isn’t expected to be particularly habitable for a few thousand years. Every physical marker is just begging for an archaeologist to discover why exactly they were constructed

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                        f_state@midwest.social
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                        So like a Pioneer plaque but spelling out in pictogram form particle physics and nuclear decay

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                          wizard: i cast firebolt

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