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  • S squaresinger@lemmy.world

    The latin source word is much older than 1500s, but the question is whether they understand what it’s about.

    Both the 15th century “radiacion” and the latin “radiationem” are about emitting light and are synonymous with “to shine” or “to glow” (though without the heat connotation).

    None of that conveys the sense of danger and fear of death that the modern word “radiation” means.

    Kinda like how the word “plane” was in use in English in the 1600s and derives from the much older Latin word “planum”, but if I’d tell some from 1600s England or from ancient Rome that I took a plane/planum to another country, they’d be utterly confused about what that means.

    The word is the same (or at least very similar), but the concept is unknown.

    So you need to find a concept that’s similar to what you want to convey, and then use the fitting word.

    For example, someone from the 1600s might understand the term “flying machine” (which was a well-known word in use in research and “science fiction” at that time).

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    dasus@lemmy.world
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    #60

    No, they don’t convey the sense of danger, I agree.

    But “light-emitter” would be worse than “it radiates death/evil”, imho

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    • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksS starman2112@sh.itjust.works

      This glyph clearly portrays the object with the ☢️ symbol bringing someone back from the dead! We should consume the blue powder inside this metal case, as it’s clearly a kind of medicine

      This kind of symbology is never going to work. We know what archaeologists do when they understand the “you will die if you break this seal” message. Ain’t no symbol is going to keep a damn human from cracking open the glowy blue box

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      f_state@midwest.social
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      I mean, testing showed it generally got the point across even if people didn’t understand why it was dangerous

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      • F f_state@midwest.social

        I mean, testing showed it generally got the point across even if people didn’t understand why it was dangerous

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        #62

        I’m curious what testing and what people. Unless it’s an as-yet uncontacted tribe in the Amazon rainforest, I’m not convinced that they successfully made a universally understood sign of danger.

        And even if the message gets across, I will reiterate: when archaeologists understand that a message says “entering here will kill you,” it only makes them want to enter more. Future post-post-apocalypse archaeologists will treat our nuclear waste disposal sites with as much care as a 19th century British scholar would have treated the pyramids. We’re a curious bunch. Best we can hope for is that we keep making Geiger counters

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        • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksS starman2112@sh.itjust.works

          I’m curious what testing and what people. Unless it’s an as-yet uncontacted tribe in the Amazon rainforest, I’m not convinced that they successfully made a universally understood sign of danger.

          And even if the message gets across, I will reiterate: when archaeologists understand that a message says “entering here will kill you,” it only makes them want to enter more. Future post-post-apocalypse archaeologists will treat our nuclear waste disposal sites with as much care as a 19th century British scholar would have treated the pyramids. We’re a curious bunch. Best we can hope for is that we keep making Geiger counters

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          f_state@midwest.social
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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_nuclear_waste_warning_messages

          People have put alot of thought into this exact topic and there’s no easy answers

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          • F f_state@midwest.social

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_nuclear_waste_warning_messages

            People have put alot of thought into this exact topic and there’s no easy answers

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            I’m well aware. Personally, I like to think of it from the opposite perspective; what message might we find that someone could have written 10,000 years ago that would convince us not to mess with something? The only proposals that work are ones that involve translating the dangers of radioactivity to new languages. Either that, or bury it deep in a place that isn’t expected to be particularly habitable for a few thousand years. Every physical marker is just begging for an archaeologist to discover why exactly they were constructed

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            • H horni@lemmy.world

              I’m not feeling creative today so I’ll just write “Dildo joke”.

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              monkemischief@lemmy.today
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              “Something something - anything if you’re brave enough”

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              • dasus@lemmy.worldD dasus@lemmy.world

                No, they don’t convey the sense of danger, I agree.

                But “light-emitter” would be worse than “it radiates death/evil”, imho

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                squaresinger@lemmy.world
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                #66

                You think?

                A light emitter could be quite useful. If I am in a low-tech society, having a device or material that would emit light in the dark could be pretty desirable.

                It might confuse me though, because that “light emitter” doesn’t actually emit any light at all. Maybe this ancient society was full of liers or maybe their devices are all expired and broken. Probably their warnings aren’t worth anything either.

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                • M monkemischief@lemmy.today

                  “Something something - anything if you’re brave enough”

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                  dragonstaff@leminal.space
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                  If your vial of Cobalt 60 doesn’t have a flared base…well…I suppose it doesn’t really matter. Have fun!

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                  • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksS starman2112@sh.itjust.works

                    I’m well aware. Personally, I like to think of it from the opposite perspective; what message might we find that someone could have written 10,000 years ago that would convince us not to mess with something? The only proposals that work are ones that involve translating the dangers of radioactivity to new languages. Either that, or bury it deep in a place that isn’t expected to be particularly habitable for a few thousand years. Every physical marker is just begging for an archaeologist to discover why exactly they were constructed

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                    f_state@midwest.social
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                    So like a Pioneer plaque but spelling out in pictogram form particle physics and nuclear decay

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                      wizard: i cast firebolt

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