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Please, don't post articles "this/that store ban nsfw content": it's payment system (like Visa/MasterCard) that want to regulate/take control of censorship above your government.

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  • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    Well if you want to peel the onion another layer, you should really be mad at laywers and our litigious society as a whole, payment processors don’t have morality, nothing in capitalism does - they are responding, just like valve, to external pressures.

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    sunzu2
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    #5

    Bro lawyer is just a hired gun, they will do whatever guy paying says. They have no agency.

    Executives, BoD and shareholders with controlling stakes make these calls.

    Avoid using credit cards as much as possible, deny the parasite profit and network effects.

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    • S sk1nnym1ke

      They could have implented this solution:

      If you use payment service X you can only buy games A, B, C

      If you use payment service Y you can buy all the games

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      pyro@pawb.social
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      #6

      My understanding is part of it is that payment processor says stop doing it or we drop you all together. Not a we won’t be involved but lose them as an avenue.

      Their way or highway, no real middle ground posible

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      • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL This user is from outside of this forum
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        lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        wrote on last edited by
        #7

        That was my point, that pressure is always external and they are not making moral decisions.

        Executives, BoD and shareholders with controlling stakes make these calls.

        Yeah with the external driver of the bottom line, no one is making these ‘calls’ for any sort of purpose other than the profit driver.

        Avoid using credit cards as much as possible

        Sure, and my paper straws are saving the environment too, right? Individual action changes nothing, changes in law/enforcement is the only proven path to change.

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        • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

          Well if you want to peel the onion another layer, you should really be mad at laywers and our litigious society as a whole, payment processors don’t have morality, nothing in capitalism does - they are responding, just like valve, to external pressures.

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          theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
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          #8

          Nope, there are human beings that make decisions and those human beings have beliefs.

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          • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

            That was my point, that pressure is always external and they are not making moral decisions.

            Executives, BoD and shareholders with controlling stakes make these calls.

            Yeah with the external driver of the bottom line, no one is making these ‘calls’ for any sort of purpose other than the profit driver.

            Avoid using credit cards as much as possible

            Sure, and my paper straws are saving the environment too, right? Individual action changes nothing, changes in law/enforcement is the only proven path to change.

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            sunzu2
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            #9

            You can do individual action yourself today and right now. It doesn’t hurt shilling online for systematic change. This trope is getting tiring. God forbid a pleb does a thing

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            • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

              More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

              Thanks reading my TEDx

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              Envy
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              #10

              While I agree with the spirit of it, those corporations are still beholden to local governments to not be sued out the ass.

              So I’d like to draw everyone’s attention to the fascist jackboots censoring the world from Australia, bragging about doing all of this:

              Just a moment...

              favicon

              (www.collectiveshout.org)

              Fuck your censorship Collective Shout. Get fucked while you’re at it, might loosen you up a bit

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                lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                #11

                Sure you can, you can do whatever you want. My point is it will have zero effect on anything.

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                • S sk1nnym1ke

                  They could have implented this solution:

                  If you use payment service X you can only buy games A, B, C

                  If you use payment service Y you can buy all the games

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                  paultimate14@lemmy.world
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                  #12

                  Part of the problem is that there are very few payment services and they all seem to be doing the same thing.

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                  • T theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world

                    Nope, there are human beings that make decisions and those human beings have beliefs.

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                    lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #13

                    Yes, totally agreed that the people making decisions have beliefs. Hard disagree if you think the head of Visa is consulting his/her/their ‘beliefs’ when voting on multi-billion dollar decisions.

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                    • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                      Sure you can, you can do whatever you want. My point is it will have zero effect on anything.

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                      sunzu2
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #14

                      My point is it will have zero effect on anything.

                      Actually every dollar spent away from credit card proxessors denies them 3 cents of revenue and something like .75% in profit per dollar spent

                      But you do you, keep consuming how daddy told you to do it. Never adjust your behaviour to save money ✊

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                        lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        #15

                        mmmm yes America Daddy, hurt me so good, I love it! Trillion dollar industry is DEF hurting by me denying them pennies. You have awoken me, thank you!

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                        • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

                          More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

                          Thanks reading my TEDx

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                          monkebiznes@lemmy.cafe
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                          #16

                          Look, I don’t know how the average Lemme user feels about crypto, but if NSFW game creators created a platform where purchases happen only in crypto then MasterCard/Visa/Paypal would be irrelevant

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                          • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                            Yes, totally agreed that the people making decisions have beliefs. Hard disagree if you think the head of Visa is consulting his/her/their ‘beliefs’ when voting on multi-billion dollar decisions.

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                            theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
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                            #17

                            Okay, you’re allowed to be wrong

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                            • T theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world

                              Okay, you’re allowed to be wrong

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                              lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #18

                              Thank you kindly 😘

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                              • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

                                More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

                                Thanks reading my TEDx

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                                mhague@lemmy.world
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                                #19

                                Melinda Tankard Reist.

                                Michael Miebach.

                                Ryan McInerney.

                                Humans > branding and corporation names.

                                When CVS “used racist AI” I didn’t see a single goddamn peep about the CEOs in charge while they had that policy.

                                We should name the board and the whole leadership system but at least mentioning CEOs would be a great start.

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                                • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                  Yes, totally agreed that the people making decisions have beliefs. Hard disagree if you think the head of Visa is consulting his/her/their ‘beliefs’ when voting on multi-billion dollar decisions.

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                                  kshade@lemmy.world
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                                  #20

                                  What if they believe that being associated with adult games will hurt the bottom line?

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                                  • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                    Well if you want to peel the onion another layer, you should really be mad at laywers and our litigious society as a whole, payment processors don’t have morality, nothing in capitalism does - they are responding, just like valve, to external pressures.

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                                    frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                    #21

                                    It’s specifically due to a moral panic group, Collective Shout, pressuring credit card companies to do this. Litigation isn’t really part of it, just angry organized people on the Internet.

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                                    • kshade@lemmy.worldK kshade@lemmy.world

                                      What if they believe that being associated with adult games will hurt the bottom line?

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                                      lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                      #22

                                      clever girl you are

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                                      • F frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                        It’s specifically due to a moral panic group, Collective Shout, pressuring credit card companies to do this. Litigation isn’t really part of it, just angry organized people on the Internet.

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                                        lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                        #23

                                        How do they apply pressure though? (they threaten to sue)

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                                        • M monkebiznes@lemmy.cafe

                                          Look, I don’t know how the average Lemme user feels about crypto, but if NSFW game creators created a platform where purchases happen only in crypto then MasterCard/Visa/Paypal would be irrelevant

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                                          sheeettin@lemmy.zip
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                                          #24

                                          And they’d lose a huge number of potential sales.

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