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Please, don't post articles "this/that store ban nsfw content": it's payment system (like Visa/MasterCard) that want to regulate/take control of censorship above your government.

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  • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL This user is from outside of this forum
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    lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    #11

    Sure you can, you can do whatever you want. My point is it will have zero effect on anything.

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    • S sk1nnym1ke

      They could have implented this solution:

      If you use payment service X you can only buy games A, B, C

      If you use payment service Y you can buy all the games

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      paultimate14@lemmy.world
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      #12

      Part of the problem is that there are very few payment services and they all seem to be doing the same thing.

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      • T theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world

        Nope, there are human beings that make decisions and those human beings have beliefs.

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        lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        #13

        Yes, totally agreed that the people making decisions have beliefs. Hard disagree if you think the head of Visa is consulting his/her/their ‘beliefs’ when voting on multi-billion dollar decisions.

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        • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

          Sure you can, you can do whatever you want. My point is it will have zero effect on anything.

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          sunzu2
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          #14

          My point is it will have zero effect on anything.

          Actually every dollar spent away from credit card proxessors denies them 3 cents of revenue and something like .75% in profit per dollar spent

          But you do you, keep consuming how daddy told you to do it. Never adjust your behaviour to save money ✊

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          • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL This user is from outside of this forum
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            lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            #15

            mmmm yes America Daddy, hurt me so good, I love it! Trillion dollar industry is DEF hurting by me denying them pennies. You have awoken me, thank you!

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            • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

              More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

              Thanks reading my TEDx

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              monkebiznes@lemmy.cafe
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              #16

              Look, I don’t know how the average Lemme user feels about crypto, but if NSFW game creators created a platform where purchases happen only in crypto then MasterCard/Visa/Paypal would be irrelevant

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              • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                Yes, totally agreed that the people making decisions have beliefs. Hard disagree if you think the head of Visa is consulting his/her/their ‘beliefs’ when voting on multi-billion dollar decisions.

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                theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
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                #17

                Okay, you’re allowed to be wrong

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                • T theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world

                  Okay, you’re allowed to be wrong

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                  lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #18

                  Thank you kindly 😘

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                  • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

                    More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

                    Thanks reading my TEDx

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                    mhague@lemmy.world
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                    #19

                    Melinda Tankard Reist.

                    Michael Miebach.

                    Ryan McInerney.

                    Humans > branding and corporation names.

                    When CVS “used racist AI” I didn’t see a single goddamn peep about the CEOs in charge while they had that policy.

                    We should name the board and the whole leadership system but at least mentioning CEOs would be a great start.

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                    • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                      Yes, totally agreed that the people making decisions have beliefs. Hard disagree if you think the head of Visa is consulting his/her/their ‘beliefs’ when voting on multi-billion dollar decisions.

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                      kshade@lemmy.world
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                      #20

                      What if they believe that being associated with adult games will hurt the bottom line?

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                      • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                        Well if you want to peel the onion another layer, you should really be mad at laywers and our litigious society as a whole, payment processors don’t have morality, nothing in capitalism does - they are responding, just like valve, to external pressures.

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                        frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                        #21

                        It’s specifically due to a moral panic group, Collective Shout, pressuring credit card companies to do this. Litigation isn’t really part of it, just angry organized people on the Internet.

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                        • kshade@lemmy.worldK kshade@lemmy.world

                          What if they believe that being associated with adult games will hurt the bottom line?

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                          lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          #22

                          clever girl you are

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                          • F frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                            It’s specifically due to a moral panic group, Collective Shout, pressuring credit card companies to do this. Litigation isn’t really part of it, just angry organized people on the Internet.

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                            lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                            #23

                            How do they apply pressure though? (they threaten to sue)

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                            • M monkebiznes@lemmy.cafe

                              Look, I don’t know how the average Lemme user feels about crypto, but if NSFW game creators created a platform where purchases happen only in crypto then MasterCard/Visa/Paypal would be irrelevant

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                              sheeettin@lemmy.zip
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                              #24

                              And they’d lose a huge number of potential sales.

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                              • M mhague@lemmy.world

                                Melinda Tankard Reist.

                                Michael Miebach.

                                Ryan McInerney.

                                Humans > branding and corporation names.

                                When CVS “used racist AI” I didn’t see a single goddamn peep about the CEOs in charge while they had that policy.

                                We should name the board and the whole leadership system but at least mentioning CEOs would be a great start.

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                                sunzu2
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                                #25

                                God damn chad… You ain’t wrong, naming the perp is first step in any proprr discourse.

                                USians are allergic to naming the parasite it seems tho

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                                • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

                                  More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

                                  Thanks reading my TEDx

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                                  obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip
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                                  #26

                                  I don’t think we should be giving corporations a pass for caving to challenges from authority whether it’s hard or not.

                                  Whether it’s valve pulling NSFW content, universities expelling students, or CBS firing people over political speech it’s all anti-consumer behavior driven by a financial incentive to cater to a bully with too much power. They’re all just rolling over and showing their belly rather than deal with a problem in the short term.

                                  If Valve or Itch had paired that statement with a statement about what other payment processing options they were pursuing that might someday lead them back to a pro-consumer position I’d be on board for granting them some grace on the issue, but to the best of my knowledge from the articles I’ve seen, their position has been “tell me what to do Daddy”. If I’m wrong about that I apologize and I’ll start reading different sources.

                                  There’s just too much capitulation to anti-free-speech behavior and I’m not ready to give anyone a pass at this point.

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                                  • P pyro@pawb.social

                                    My understanding is part of it is that payment processor says stop doing it or we drop you all together. Not a we won’t be involved but lose them as an avenue.

                                    Their way or highway, no real middle ground posible

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                                    obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip
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                                    #27

                                    The short term strategy would probably be to introduce Y payment processor and make it the preferred method of payment. Encourage it’s use industry wide and encourage consumers to adopt that method as widely as possible.

                                    If that takes off… Then they can tell the other processors to get fucked.

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                                    • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                      How do they apply pressure though? (they threaten to sue)

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                                      frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                      #28

                                      Do you know that or are you speculating?

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                                      • F frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                        Do you know that or are you speculating?

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                                        lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                        #29

                                        I know all, I see all

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                                        • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

                                          More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

                                          Thanks reading my TEDx

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                                          godoflies@lemmy.ca
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                                          Nothing but hypocrisy from Visa and MasterCard - there are far more NSFW content on Xitter than in games and yet I don’t see a peep of them banning payment towards that little blue checkmark.

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