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Please, don't post articles "this/that store ban nsfw content": it's payment system (like Visa/MasterCard) that want to regulate/take control of censorship above your government.

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  • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    Well if you want to peel the onion another layer, you should really be mad at laywers and our litigious society as a whole, payment processors don’t have morality, nothing in capitalism does - they are responding, just like valve, to external pressures.

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    frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    It’s specifically due to a moral panic group, Collective Shout, pressuring credit card companies to do this. Litigation isn’t really part of it, just angry organized people on the Internet.

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    • kshade@lemmy.worldK kshade@lemmy.world

      What if they believe that being associated with adult games will hurt the bottom line?

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      lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      #22

      clever girl you are

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      • F frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone

        It’s specifically due to a moral panic group, Collective Shout, pressuring credit card companies to do this. Litigation isn’t really part of it, just angry organized people on the Internet.

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        lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        How do they apply pressure though? (they threaten to sue)

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        • M monkebiznes@lemmy.cafe

          Look, I don’t know how the average Lemme user feels about crypto, but if NSFW game creators created a platform where purchases happen only in crypto then MasterCard/Visa/Paypal would be irrelevant

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          sheeettin@lemmy.zip
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          #24

          And they’d lose a huge number of potential sales.

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          • M mhague@lemmy.world

            Melinda Tankard Reist.

            Michael Miebach.

            Ryan McInerney.

            Humans > branding and corporation names.

            When CVS “used racist AI” I didn’t see a single goddamn peep about the CEOs in charge while they had that policy.

            We should name the board and the whole leadership system but at least mentioning CEOs would be a great start.

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            sunzu2
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            God damn chad… You ain’t wrong, naming the perp is first step in any proprr discourse.

            USians are allergic to naming the parasite it seems tho

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            • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

              More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

              Thanks reading my TEDx

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              obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip
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              I don’t think we should be giving corporations a pass for caving to challenges from authority whether it’s hard or not.

              Whether it’s valve pulling NSFW content, universities expelling students, or CBS firing people over political speech it’s all anti-consumer behavior driven by a financial incentive to cater to a bully with too much power. They’re all just rolling over and showing their belly rather than deal with a problem in the short term.

              If Valve or Itch had paired that statement with a statement about what other payment processing options they were pursuing that might someday lead them back to a pro-consumer position I’d be on board for granting them some grace on the issue, but to the best of my knowledge from the articles I’ve seen, their position has been “tell me what to do Daddy”. If I’m wrong about that I apologize and I’ll start reading different sources.

              There’s just too much capitulation to anti-free-speech behavior and I’m not ready to give anyone a pass at this point.

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              • P pyro@pawb.social

                My understanding is part of it is that payment processor says stop doing it or we drop you all together. Not a we won’t be involved but lose them as an avenue.

                Their way or highway, no real middle ground posible

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                obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip
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                The short term strategy would probably be to introduce Y payment processor and make it the preferred method of payment. Encourage it’s use industry wide and encourage consumers to adopt that method as widely as possible.

                If that takes off… Then they can tell the other processors to get fucked.

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                • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comL lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  How do they apply pressure though? (they threaten to sue)

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                  frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  Do you know that or are you speculating?

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                  • F frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                    Do you know that or are you speculating?

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                    lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    #29

                    I know all, I see all

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                    • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

                      More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

                      Thanks reading my TEDx

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                      godoflies@lemmy.ca
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                      #30

                      Nothing but hypocrisy from Visa and MasterCard - there are far more NSFW content on Xitter than in games and yet I don’t see a peep of them banning payment towards that little blue checkmark.

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                      • G godoflies@lemmy.ca

                        Nothing but hypocrisy from Visa and MasterCard - there are far more NSFW content on Xitter than in games and yet I don’t see a peep of them banning payment towards that little blue checkmark.

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                        paraphrand
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                        #31

                        Can you directly pay for porn on Twitter?

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                        • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

                          More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

                          Thanks reading my TEDx

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                          darkkite@lemmy.ml
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                          People always say crypto has no value and is a scam but i don’t see how a stablecoin like usdc isn’t a much simpler solution vs trying to break the duopoly

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                          • G godoflies@lemmy.ca

                            Nothing but hypocrisy from Visa and MasterCard - there are far more NSFW content on Xitter than in games and yet I don’t see a peep of them banning payment towards that little blue checkmark.

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                            zout
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                            #33

                            Collective Shout seems to aim for X next, according to their site.

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                            • F frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                              It’s specifically due to a moral panic group, Collective Shout, pressuring credit card companies to do this. Litigation isn’t really part of it, just angry organized people on the Internet.

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                              Booboofinger
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                              #34

                              Maybe we can angrily organize against them?

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                              • M monkebiznes@lemmy.cafe

                                Look, I don’t know how the average Lemme user feels about crypto, but if NSFW game creators created a platform where purchases happen only in crypto then MasterCard/Visa/Paypal would be irrelevant

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                                FaceDeer
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                                If only the Internet hadn’t spent the last decade collectively shitting on crypto instead of maybe learning a bit about how it works and what it could be used for.

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                                • Z zout

                                  Collective Shout seems to aim for X next, according to their site.

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                                  burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world
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                                  biting the hand that seig heils

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                                  • D darkkite@lemmy.ml

                                    People always say crypto has no value and is a scam but i don’t see how a stablecoin like usdc isn’t a much simpler solution vs trying to break the duopoly

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                                    spacescotsman@startrek.website
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                                    What happens when anti-porn organisations like Collective Shout go after the currency exchanges?

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                                    • EnvyE Envy

                                      While I agree with the spirit of it, those corporations are still beholden to local governments to not be sued out the ass.

                                      So I’d like to draw everyone’s attention to the fascist jackboots censoring the world from Australia, bragging about doing all of this:

                                      Just a moment...

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                                      (www.collectiveshout.org)

                                      Fuck your censorship Collective Shout. Get fucked while you’re at it, might loosen you up a bit

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                                      kautau@lemmy.world
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                                      Love how the bottom of the page is like

                                      We are an independent registered charity with no affiliation to religious or political institutions.

                                      Meanwhile, the founder

                                      In 2007, she published Defiant Birth: Women Who Resist Medical Eugenics[7], to a conservative journal called The National Catholic Bioethics Quarterly before being republished by Spinifex press.

                                      The journal is periodically published by a conservative think tank called The National Catholic Bioethics Center.

                                      In 2009, Tankard Reist spoke at a forum called, “Event: Inspiring Christians Series” in the Belconnen Baptist Church on behalf of Sheridan Voysey.

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                                      Melinda Tankard Reist - Wikipedia

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                                      (en.wikipedia.org)

                                      She’s all about women. As long as they produce children regardless of how they were impregnated and are wives in Catholic marriages.

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                                      • kshade@lemmy.worldK kshade@lemmy.world

                                        What if they believe that being associated with adult games will hurt the bottom line?

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                                        bronzebeard@lemmy.zip
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                                        #39

                                        They basically have mon/du/triopolies in their field. Deciding to take less money is the only thing that hurts their bottom line. What’s a noisy group of a dozen assholes going to do, use a different processor? The very thing that allowed them to pressure the other companies is what makes them immune from these stupid threats

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                                        • S spacescotsman@startrek.website

                                          What happens when anti-porn organisations like Collective Shout go after the currency exchanges?

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                                          csh83669@programming.dev
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                                          Presumably they do what Visa/Mastercard should have done, and tell them to shove it. It’s just a bunch of uppity idiots from Australia, no one HAS to listen to them…

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