I think people have to realize that capitalism has made us search for cheap over quality and nutrition when it comes to food.

Food is literally one of two things that keep us alive and thriving yet we balk at food that is slightly more expensive but much more nutritious, lasts much longer and requires less volume to feed one’s self due to this nutrient density vs. Commercially grown food, that has been transported thousands of kilometers to your local store.

You can’t afford the increase in price to buy quality food? That has nothing to do with the food, what or costs or what you should be buying or eating. It’s capitalism keeping you part of the slave class and making you think grocery store prices are normal.

Or allowing our wealthiest to buy up all the farmland so they have complete control of everything…like a feudal king.

Aquaponics also has an issue with nutrient density so you would need more volume than traditional soil growing methods to create the same volume of nutrition.

That’s not the case everywhere, sucks to live In a sucky place, don’t project your issues on the rest of world. The farmers markets in Canada are farmer selling their produce, it’s cheaper than big box stores, and they take all the profit themselves other than rent for a stall.

How do they work in your country?

… farmers markets don’t work without local farms…. Lmfao what a take.

They will also also have cheap seasonal food, if you want out of season, it’s always going to be expensive. Sounds like people here don’t understand how farmers market actually work and expect them to have the same options as the big box stores…

They have the same nutrients as commercially grown. They have a higher density because theyre smaller and have way lower production. The neutrient declaine is going to happen regardless of you using high or low yield it just a matter of scale and time. All of this started exactly how you believe we should be doing it now. The problem is that doesnt make enough food for everyone and it only takes one bad year and a LOT of people dont get anything. So we selected for traits to stop that. The problem is that now we have to choose more land and resources (fertilizer and energy) to maintain heirloom strains and grow them at scale and transport them around faster and farther than theyre designed to last. Or less quality per yield but far more yield and much longer sheld life. Without forcing everyone to live within a certain radius of an heirloom farm there is only so much you can do before logistics and shelf life simply dont cut it anymore.

How did you even glean that from what I said? Yeah, of course they have cheap seasonal food that’s exactly my point. That’s exactly why they’re not overpriced yuppie shit as the person I was replying to claimed. People claim they’re overpriced anyway because they’re comparing them to the grocery store chains that sell less quality food and not local food for cheaper and underpay their workers. I’m not comparing apples to organes here I’m literally saying people would rather pay $4 for a pound pf California strawberries than $7 for a pound of local seasonal strawberries.

They don’t work in places without local farms, that’s fine then figure out something else for that area, but my point is no need to shit on farmers markets or on buying local.

I have found that my local co-op has some great prices for some items and others that are more expensive but it depends on what I need to purchase. Their bulk teas are such a good deal and really the only place I can buy bulk teas. Their bulk goods are a good deal as well. Some of the fruit and vegetables are a good deal unless its not in season. Their bread (freshly made from a local bakery) tastes amazing and a great deal as well.

That being said I don’t love their meat selection (smaller selection, more expensive but has a few gems), nor do I like to buy their boxed standard goods. Broths, snacks, canned goods or anything like that is more expensive and doesn’t seem worth it for the quality difference. The key is to find a few anchors that get you there. I don’t go as often to my co-op compared to my local trader joes.

And commercially grown vegetables are also lacking in nutrient density and quality due to poor farming practices.

Not to mention that a farmer’s market vendors can just lie about the origin of their products.

Thank you. I’m literally just trying to fix food banks not having enough food and a handful of people are insisting I’ve suggested this will replace Loblaws.

No I have an idea to fix food bank shortages, while creating jobs and teaching practical skills. The shortage that occurred collectively in your brains I have nothing for.

Lol. Welcome to ‘growing seasons’

Look, I’m all for making the world a better place. So here’s my 2c, from somebody who’s tried and done it in a small manner. You’ll need allies, partners. You’ll face a lot of doubt and questions. If you meet it all with outright hostility, you’re never going to get very far. Sure, we’re all online randos, but if you can’t muster a decent argument with all the time in the world, you’re going to have a hard time persuading anybody in the real world.

do you have an actual argument or are you just nitpicking?

And what part of that comment was indented to make me an ally or not perceive you as outrightly hostile?

Cute adhominim at the end there. Couldn’t resist could you? Ya hypocrite.

It is a solution in search of a problem. And it would create far more expensive problems than it proposes to solve. The Soviets already did this kind of thing--the same Soviets who deliberately starved millions to death with manufactured food shortages.

This is partly because there is no good supply chain or real wholesale market for mid priced consumer packaged goods. It’s essentially completely owned by the ogilopolies.

There is for produce and meats which share the supply chain with restaurants.

I’ve worked with co-ops both on the retail grocery side and ag aggregator side, and the traditional supply chain is similar. The ag co-ops serve as a middleman, and the retail grocery will usually deal with a distributor.

The grocery co-op had way more direct accounts (hundreds) than a traditional grocery, but that was mostly for smaller company specialty goods. The vast majority of the product moving off the shelves was bought from one of two big distributors.

Makes complete sense to me. Its also lots of work to create some of those goods at home. I refuse to make my own broth despite everyone saying its easy and delicious. I don’t have the time nor do I want to store it

Maybe as a nation, we shouldn’t be letting profits get in the way of feeding people? Just a wild suggestion.