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I not someone sharing a Sly Flourish thing and it occurs to me that there is a whole layer of introductory D&D influencers whose work I view in similar terms to that of children's entertainers.

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  • Moreau VazhT Moreau Vazh

    I noted someone sharing a Sly Flourish thing and it occurs to me that there is a whole layer of introductory D&D influencers whose work I view in similar terms to that of children's entertainers.

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    @Taskerland You think they'll all eventually get bit parts in Dr Who?

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      @Taskerland You think they'll all eventually get bit parts in Dr Who?

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      @Printdevil I once met a bloke who was convinced he was going to be cast as the Doctor based on him getting loads of views doing fan videos in which he ran around Brighton in a trenchcoat.

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      • Moreau VazhT Moreau Vazh

        @Printdevil I once met a bloke who was convinced he was going to be cast as the Doctor based on him getting loads of views doing fan videos in which he ran around Brighton in a trenchcoat.

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        @Taskerland "but fate had other things in store for Keir.."

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        • CharnockP Charnock

          @Taskerland "but fate had other things in store for Keir.."

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          @Printdevil Alexa, show me someone who is "high on their own supply"

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          • Moreau VazhT Moreau Vazh

            @Printdevil Alexa, show me someone who is "high on their own supply"

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            @Taskerland Sure!

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            • Moreau VazhT Moreau Vazh

              Occasionally I will click on a link to his blog and the ideas are so simple and the content so thin that I suspect his output would improve significantly if he just asked an AI to produce a blog post every few days.

              I guess that his audience is mostly beginners? That he's like a do-nothing porn game developer who is sustained by a churn of people subscribing to his patreon and then realising that they're not going to get anything for their money and moving on.

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              @Taskerland I honestly think that if I was starting out in the hobby now, the sheer volume of often contradictory GM advice pumped out online would completely put me off.

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              • IcosacadeI Icosacade

                @Taskerland I honestly think that if I was starting out in the hobby now, the sheer volume of often contradictory GM advice pumped out online would completely put me off.

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                How does one even start out in the hobby now? What's the point of ignition?

                Do people meet someone who games? Or is there a sort of cultural background radiation that these games have always existed and you can choose to find out more. Like Pétanque

                @icosacade @Taskerland

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                • Moreau VazhT Moreau Vazh

                  I noted someone sharing a Sly Flourish thing and it occurs to me that there is a whole layer of introductory D&D influencers whose work I view in similar terms to that of children's entertainers.

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                  @Taskerland I actually used to be a big fan of him back when I was a D&D player, he even convinced me to buy the Dungeon World book (though I didn't play it). But at some point his advice started to become repetitive and eventually irrelevant for the kind of games I like to play now.

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                  • IcosacadeI Icosacade

                    @Taskerland I honestly think that if I was starting out in the hobby now, the sheer volume of often contradictory GM advice pumped out online would completely put me off.

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                    @icosacade Yes. "And if you do any of this wrong... it's abuse"

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                      How does one even start out in the hobby now? What's the point of ignition?

                      Do people meet someone who games? Or is there a sort of cultural background radiation that these games have always existed and you can choose to find out more. Like Pétanque

                      @icosacade @Taskerland

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                      @Printdevil I imagine you watch Critical Role, or you play Baldur's Gate, and then you spend a fortune on hundreds of pages of rules and regret your life decisions. @icosacade

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                      • Moreau VazhT Moreau Vazh

                        @Printdevil I imagine you watch Critical Role, or you play Baldur's Gate, and then you spend a fortune on hundreds of pages of rules and regret your life decisions. @icosacade

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                        "ah.. a Wednesday"

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                        • DregntaelD Dregntael

                          @Taskerland I actually used to be a big fan of him back when I was a D&D player, he even convinced me to buy the Dungeon World book (though I didn't play it). But at some point his advice started to become repetitive and eventually irrelevant for the kind of games I like to play now.

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                          @dregntael He's been around for ages. I think he has quite a narrow view of the hobby and now just repeats and re-iterates based upon broader trends in the hobby.

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                          • Moreau VazhT Moreau Vazh

                            @icosacade Yes. "And if you do any of this wrong... it's abuse"

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                            @Taskerland “You’ll never guess how you’re doing fun wrong! Click like and don’t forget to subscribe.”

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                              @dregntael He's been around for ages. I think he has quite a narrow view of the hobby and now just repeats and re-iterates based upon broader trends in the hobby.

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                              @Taskerland I was reading his blog back when I first started with D&D 4E, so I know he's been around for a while 😉

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                                @Taskerland I was reading his blog back when I first started with D&D 4E, so I know he's been around for a while 😉

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                                @dregntael I often confuse him with Mike Shea, the Angry GM who I think predates him a bit.

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                                • Moreau VazhT Moreau Vazh

                                  @dregntael I often confuse him with Mike Shea, the Angry GM who I think predates him a bit.

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                                  @Taskerland Wait, Mike Shae *is* Sly Flourish, isn't he? Angry GM is Scott Rehm.

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                                    @Taskerland Wait, Mike Shae *is* Sly Flourish, isn't he? Angry GM is Scott Rehm.

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                                    @dregntael Case in point haha

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                                    • Moreau VazhT Moreau Vazh

                                      @dregntael Case in point haha

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                                      @Taskerland @dregntael
                                      Scott Rehm/Angry GM used to be a case of "I don't always agree with him but he always gives me something to think about". ...Then he went off on this bullshit "actually *roleplaying* in your roleplaying is wrong, you should have no dialogue and all action and people should infer your character from that" trend and I haven't read him since.

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                                      • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

                                        @Taskerland @dregntael
                                        Scott Rehm/Angry GM used to be a case of "I don't always agree with him but he always gives me something to think about". ...Then he went off on this bullshit "actually *roleplaying* in your roleplaying is wrong, you should have no dialogue and all action and people should infer your character from that" trend and I haven't read him since.

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                                        @pteryx That would definitely place him in the 'I have nothing to learn from paying attention to this person' bracket as far as I am concerned but I suspect he may be right with regards to the hobby's general direction of travel.

                                        Turn up at a game with strangers wanting exclusively to roll dice and you'll find it a lot easier socially than turning up and wanting to perform your character.

                                        @dregntael

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                                        • Moreau VazhT Moreau Vazh

                                          @pteryx That would definitely place him in the 'I have nothing to learn from paying attention to this person' bracket as far as I am concerned but I suspect he may be right with regards to the hobby's general direction of travel.

                                          Turn up at a game with strangers wanting exclusively to roll dice and you'll find it a lot easier socially than turning up and wanting to perform your character.

                                          @dregntael

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                                          Oddly though they do perform characters it's just they perform as "youtuber D&D players" and it's very strange.

                                          I meet quite a lot of older gamers who would I think be interested in returning to the hobby after retiring/children growing up, but when they go to a game shop and fondle the copy of Boredom on The Orient Expense, they look wistfully around and there is never anything going on they can do. If people were a bit more theatrical maybe they'd see a role

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