I always find it funny when Americans make profanity a huge deal.
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me: “Oh god, the American government is locking children up in concentration camps again.”
Americans, horrified: “We’d appreciate it if you didn’t use the Lord’s name in vain!”
@Cacotopos @scy @cstross I got told off for calling ICE “Gestapo going door to door arresting people by race“ at a closed-door meeting in Germany, because you can’t say “Gestapo” — edit: which I’ve learnt from replies is because that might diminish the holocaust, and while the us is breaking up families, deporting and maybe even torturing, so far they aren’t exterminating (which is what we’re all fighting to head off.)
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@Cacotopos @scy @cstross I got told off for calling ICE “Gestapo going door to door arresting people by race“ at a closed-door meeting in Germany, because you can’t say “Gestapo” — edit: which I’ve learnt from replies is because that might diminish the holocaust, and while the us is breaking up families, deporting and maybe even torturing, so far they aren’t exterminating (which is what we’re all fighting to head off.)
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@Cacotopos @j2bryson @scy "They can't be Nazis, the arms on the crosses on their armbands point in the wrong direction!"
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@Cacotopos @j2bryson @scy "They can't be Nazis, the arms on the crosses on their armbands point in the wrong direction!"
@cstross @Cacotopos @j2bryson Actually it's because Germany has strict laws about that. The idea is that some of these comparisons, however well intended, may actually downplay the holocaust as a result.
Also, I'd very much appreciate if you could stop messaging me about this.
scy (@scy@chaos.social)
The number of people who think it's necessary to respond to this post with all kind of atrocities committed by USians … I only made a lighthearted post about profanity. Do I really deserve my notifications to be filled with descriptions of violence?
chaos.social (chaos.social)
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@cstross @Cacotopos @j2bryson Actually it's because Germany has strict laws about that. The idea is that some of these comparisons, however well intended, may actually downplay the holocaust as a result.
Also, I'd very much appreciate if you could stop messaging me about this.
scy (@scy@chaos.social)
The number of people who think it's necessary to respond to this post with all kind of atrocities committed by USians … I only made a lighthearted post about profanity. Do I really deserve my notifications to be filled with descriptions of violence?
chaos.social (chaos.social)
@scy You're right, of course (and I blame this here Mastodon client for promiscuously adding usernames to the katamari thread with every reply …)
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@Cacotopos @scy @cstross I got told off for calling ICE “Gestapo going door to door arresting people by race“ at a closed-door meeting in Germany, because you can’t say “Gestapo” — edit: which I’ve learnt from replies is because that might diminish the holocaust, and while the us is breaking up families, deporting and maybe even torturing, so far they aren’t exterminating (which is what we’re all fighting to head off.)
You might understand this, when you read tge mouse comics or vidit Auschwitz and you understand, the the Gestapo did not only send tgem to camps, but at those camps the children were seperated from the parents and were killed in the gas chambers (because they were not considered strong enough to be killed by working to death)
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You might understand this, when you read tge mouse comics or vidit Auschwitz and you understand, the the Gestapo did not only send tgem to camps, but at those camps the children were seperated from the parents and were killed in the gas chambers (because they were not considered strong enough to be killed by working to death)
@expertenkommision_cyberunfall I am old enough that my father lost most of his extended family in the death camps. You don't need to lecture me about it.
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@Cacotopos @scy @cstross I got told off for calling ICE “Gestapo going door to door arresting people by race“ at a closed-door meeting in Germany, because you can’t say “Gestapo” — edit: which I’ve learnt from replies is because that might diminish the holocaust, and while the us is breaking up families, deporting and maybe even torturing, so far they aren’t exterminating (which is what we’re all fighting to head off.)
@j2bryson
And how does ICE differ from a secret state police? (Since that is what the abbreviation means)
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@j2bryson
And how does ICE differ from a secret state police? (Since that is what the abbreviation means)
@Cacotopos @scy @cstross@rhialto @Cacotopos @scy @cstross we can’t forget that the name came to refer to the specific state police that genocided over 90% of several populations, including but by no means limited to 6m jewish people. But I entirely agree that ICE is the same as gestapo were towards the beginning of the holocaust, though the German people with disabilities were exterminated pretty early, so I may even be wrong there.
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@rhialto @Cacotopos @scy @cstross we can’t forget that the name came to refer to the specific state police that genocided over 90% of several populations, including but by no means limited to 6m jewish people. But I entirely agree that ICE is the same as gestapo were towards the beginning of the holocaust, though the German people with disabilities were exterminated pretty early, so I may even be wrong there.
@j2bryson @rhialto @Cacotopos @scy Nuanced disagreement (that might be too historic/nit-picky): ICE is more like the SA (Brownshirts) circa 1933/34. The Gestapo analog in the US is what the FBI will be turned into after about 12-24 months of Trumpism. (The Gestapo was formed by bringing the pre-existing Prussian secret police agency under Göring's (and then Himmler's) control and extending it. An analogy to the FBI under Kash Patel is disturbingly accurate. Expect Miller to take it over next!)
