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Calls for Canada to bar bands Kneecap, Bob Vylan over anti-Israel messages test limits of free expression

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  • W walktheplank@lemmy.world

    The only ones willing to stand up. Real artists doing what artists should do. I’ve been listening to both these bands. I’d love to see a show in Canada.

    Death to the IDF.

    Edit: also to.let you know. Same day news…

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    Calls for Canada to bar bands Kneecap, Bob Vylan over anti-Israel messages test limits of free expression | CBC News

    A prominent Jewish and Israeli advocacy organization and some Canadian politicians are calling for the Irish rap group Kneecap and the British punk rap duo Bob Vylan to be barred from performing in Canada over comments about the war in Gaza.

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    wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
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    Before I pass judgement on which opinions are allowed, I like to imagine who would use that same power to block my own.

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    • W walktheplank@lemmy.world

      The only ones willing to stand up. Real artists doing what artists should do. I’ve been listening to both these bands. I’d love to see a show in Canada.

      Death to the IDF.

      Edit: also to.let you know. Same day news…

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      Kneecap cleared as police drop Glastonbury investigation over lack of evidence

      Police have dropped a criminal investigation into Kneecap's Glastonbury performance, citing insufficient evidence.

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      Irish Mirror (www.irishmirror.ie)

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      Calls for Canada to bar bands Kneecap, Bob Vylan over anti-Israel messages test limits of free expression | CBC News

      A prominent Jewish and Israeli advocacy organization and some Canadian politicians are calling for the Irish rap group Kneecap and the British punk rap duo Bob Vylan to be barred from performing in Canada over comments about the war in Gaza.

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      rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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      Death death to the idf

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      • W walktheplank@lemmy.world

        The only ones willing to stand up. Real artists doing what artists should do. I’ve been listening to both these bands. I’d love to see a show in Canada.

        Death to the IDF.

        Edit: also to.let you know. Same day news…

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        Kneecap cleared as police drop Glastonbury investigation over lack of evidence

        Police have dropped a criminal investigation into Kneecap's Glastonbury performance, citing insufficient evidence.

        favicon

        Irish Mirror (www.irishmirror.ie)

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        Calls for Canada to bar bands Kneecap, Bob Vylan over anti-Israel messages test limits of free expression | CBC News

        A prominent Jewish and Israeli advocacy organization and some Canadian politicians are calling for the Irish rap group Kneecap and the British punk rap duo Bob Vylan to be barred from performing in Canada over comments about the war in Gaza.

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        canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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        #6

        The IDF is a legitimate military target. It’s purpose is itself violence, so it’s incredibly dumb people have a problem with (questionably literal) violence being suggested towards it.

        If it was death to Isreal, they might have a point, although there as well it might mean the state and not the people in it; for example as part of a one-state solution. If it was death to Jews the reaction would be totally warranted and I’d hope Bob Vylan would be charged.

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        • B bigmachole@sopuli.xyz

          How DARE those Bands Spray BULLETS into Starving Children!

          SORRY! I mean how DARE they say doing That is BAD!

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          Em Adespoton
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          #7

          On the other hand, it’s perfectly valid to not want to knife either combatant in a knife fight, but just get them to stop endangering themselves and everyone around them. You know, without chanting “death to knife fighter A!”

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          • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

            On the other hand, it’s perfectly valid to not want to knife either combatant in a knife fight, but just get them to stop endangering themselves and everyone around them. You know, without chanting “death to knife fighter A!”

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            scintilla@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            Are people still trying to both sides a literal genocide?

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            • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

              Chanting for the death of the Israel Defence Forces (IDF). Waving a Hezbollah flag at a concert. Cheering for Hamas. Calling on fans in the U.K. to “kill your local MP.”

              Then, video re-emerged from a 2023 concert, in London, England, when one member said, “The only good Tory is a dead Tory. Kill your local MP.” The band apologized amid concert cancellations in Europe.

              Another video appeared to show one of the band members shouting “up Hezbollah, up Hamas” at a 2024 concert in London while wearing a Hezbollah flag over his head. Both Hezbollah and Hamas are designated terror groups in Britain, as well in Canada.

              Do you want to see how easy it is to be against Israels actions, support Palestinian freedom, and not support Terrorists while inciting violence?

              The Likud party of Israel are war criminals. The soldiers in the IDF following Likuds orders are war criminals. Every Israelite attacking Palestinians is a war criminal. Every Israelite in support of this is supporting a genocide.

              Every single one of them should be brought to swift justice. But it isn’t everyone in Israel or the IDF, just like every Palestinian isn’t Hamas.

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              NoneOfUrBusiness
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              Do you want to see how easy it is to be against Israels actions, support Palestinian freedom, and not support Terrorists while inciting violence?

              I mean, why would you not incite violence against violent genociders and occupiers? Also you meant Israelis. Israelites are the Biblical group.

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              • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

                The IDF is a legitimate military target. It’s purpose is itself violence, so it’s incredibly dumb people have a problem with (questionably literal) violence being suggested towards it.

                If it was death to Isreal, they might have a point, although there as well it might mean the state and not the people in it; for example as part of a one-state solution. If it was death to Jews the reaction would be totally warranted and I’d hope Bob Vylan would be charged.

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                nomad
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                … For those fighting over there. Are you active military Mr armchair warrior? I’d like to see them all prosecuted and thrown into prison for the rest of their lives. Better, they should atone by rebuilding Gaza.

                Calling for anybody’s death and calling that Okay is how we got here in the first place.

                Signed dumb people.

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                • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

                  On the other hand, it’s perfectly valid to not want to knife either combatant in a knife fight, but just get them to stop endangering themselves and everyone around them. You know, without chanting “death to knife fighter A!”

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                  forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org
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                  So when knife fighter A stabs starving children to death, after directly causing their starvation, you’re still gonna piss and moan about people chanting “death to knife fighter a”? Who am I kidding, of course you’ll take the “be a little bitch” route.

                  Fuck that.

                  Death to the IDF!

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                  • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

                    On the other hand, it’s perfectly valid to not want to knife either combatant in a knife fight, but just get them to stop endangering themselves and everyone around them. You know, without chanting “death to knife fighter A!”

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                    ikidd@lemmy.world
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                    #12

                    That’s some hard dodging to miss the point that completely.

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                    • ikidd@lemmy.worldI ikidd@lemmy.world

                      That’s some hard dodging to miss the point that completely.

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                      Em Adespoton
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                      Point wasn’t missed.

                      But I have a hard time with “death to <anyone>”, even when the original intent is metaphorical. Absolutely no equating calls for ending violent groups with actual violence committed by those groups.

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                      • F forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org

                        So when knife fighter A stabs starving children to death, after directly causing their starvation, you’re still gonna piss and moan about people chanting “death to knife fighter a”? Who am I kidding, of course you’ll take the “be a little bitch” route.

                        Fuck that.

                        Death to the IDF!

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                        Em Adespoton
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                        #14

                        Together, we can just get them to stop. Starve them of money and weapons. Shame them publicly. Force them away from their victims. It can all be done without death.

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                        • S scintilla@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                          Are people still trying to both sides a literal genocide?

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                          Em Adespoton
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                          #15

                          Nope; I’m saying calling for the death of those causing the genocide isn’t going to bring peace.

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                          • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

                            Together, we can just get them to stop. Starve them of money and weapons. Shame them publicly. Force them away from their victims. It can all be done without death.

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                            hellsbelle@sh.itjust.works
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                            Yeah, 'cause that’s worked so well for humans historically.

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                            • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

                              Nope; I’m saying calling for the death of those causing the genocide isn’t going to bring peace.

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                              ronanfahy@lemmy.ml
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                              The Holocaust was ended by killing Nazis

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                              • H hellsbelle@sh.itjust.works

                                Yeah, 'cause that’s worked so well for humans historically.

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                                mycatscool@lemmy.world
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                                and especially in the middle east!

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                                • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

                                  Nope; I’m saying calling for the death of those causing the genocide isn’t going to bring peace.

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                                  deceptichum@quokk.au
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                                  Yes it does, and pretty abruptly.

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                                  • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

                                    Nope; I’m saying calling for the death of those causing the genocide isn’t going to bring peace.

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                                    lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                    “Death death to the SS” would be too radical for the average lib it seems.

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                                    • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

                                      Together, we can just get them to stop. Starve them of money and weapons. Shame them publicly. Force them away from their victims. It can all be done without death.

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                                      gonzo-rand19
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                                      How do you suppose Israel will be non-violently forced away from Palestine, the place they’ve been ethnically cleansing with the explicit help of other nations for over 70 years? Together, we’ll… ?

                                      Canada won’t even put out a statement saying there is a genocide and that it’s wrong. We are sending weapons and other aid directly to Israel to help them finish the job.

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                                      • W walktheplank@lemmy.world

                                        The only ones willing to stand up. Real artists doing what artists should do. I’ve been listening to both these bands. I’d love to see a show in Canada.

                                        Death to the IDF.

                                        Edit: also to.let you know. Same day news…

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                                        Kneecap cleared as police drop Glastonbury investigation over lack of evidence

                                        Police have dropped a criminal investigation into Kneecap's Glastonbury performance, citing insufficient evidence.

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                                        Irish Mirror (www.irishmirror.ie)

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                                        Calls for Canada to bar bands Kneecap, Bob Vylan over anti-Israel messages test limits of free expression | CBC News

                                        A prominent Jewish and Israeli advocacy organization and some Canadian politicians are calling for the Irish rap group Kneecap and the British punk rap duo Bob Vylan to be barred from performing in Canada over comments about the war in Gaza.

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                                        Sunshine (she/her)
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                                        Netanyahu should be the one barred not these upstanding people.

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                                        • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

                                          Together, we can just get them to stop. Starve them of money and weapons. Shame them publicly. Force them away from their victims. It can all be done without death.

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                                          tiger666@lemmy.ca
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                                          THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO FEED THEMSELVES SOME OF WHOME ARE LITTLE CHILDREN.

                                          YOU ARE SUPPORTING KILLERS OF CHILDREN AND DOERS OF GENOCIDE.

                                          YOU ARE NOT A GOOD HUMAN BEING.

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