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  • Zach WeinersmithZ This user is from outside of this forum
    Zach WeinersmithZ This user is from outside of this forum
    Zach Weinersmith
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    Hey linguistic dorks:

    So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

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    • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

      Hey linguistic dorks:

      So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

      FaraiweF This user is from outside of this forum
      FaraiweF This user is from outside of this forum
      Faraiwe
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      @ZachWeinersmith FWIW it's the official more-than-one-less-than-five collective pronoun in uniform.

      Anything more than five peeps is ALL Y'ALL.

      ::nods sagely::

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      • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

        Hey linguistic dorks:

        So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

        May Likes TorontoM This user is from outside of this forum
        May Likes TorontoM This user is from outside of this forum
        May Likes Toronto
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        @ZachWeinersmith I say y'all and folks IRL. It's often seen as unprofessional, but a lot of queer communities and allies are using it as gender neutral language.

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        • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

          Hey linguistic dorks:

          So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

          labriaL This user is from outside of this forum
          labriaL This user is from outside of this forum
          labria
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          @ZachWeinersmith https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/ talked about it, he’s saying that “yous”, “y’all” are new forms of the list plural form of you that are developing to disambiguate.
          Here (in Ireland) “yous” is quite widely used in speech too.

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          • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

            Hey linguistic dorks:

            So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

            CatelliC This user is from outside of this forum
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            Catelli
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            @ZachWeinersmith Speaking as a Canadian that uses it only online...

            I only use it as an affecctation for online communication. But vocally, it doesn't come easily off the tongue. If I try it, it's closer to Yuall.

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            • May Likes TorontoM May Likes Toronto

              @ZachWeinersmith I say y'all and folks IRL. It's often seen as unprofessional, but a lot of queer communities and allies are using it as gender neutral language.

              Rob RicciR This user is from outside of this forum
              Rob RicciR This user is from outside of this forum
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              @mayintoronto @ZachWeinersmith I use it IRL (didn't when I was growing up). Utah.

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              • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

                Hey linguistic dorks:

                So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

                François LégumeV This user is from outside of this forum
                François LégumeV This user is from outside of this forum
                François Légume
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                @ZachWeinersmith I grew up in the South so it's a part of my speech that way, but I live in Montreal now and see Anglo Canadians and Americans from the North using it as well. I think especially in queer communities it's spread, as someone else mentioned, as gender neutral language, but i think in general it's exploded in popularity, probably via the popularity of AAVE as you say

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                • labriaL labria

                  @ZachWeinersmith https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/ talked about it, he’s saying that “yous”, “y’all” are new forms of the list plural form of you that are developing to disambiguate.
                  Here (in Ireland) “yous” is quite widely used in speech too.

                  Michael BuschM This user is from outside of this forum
                  Michael BuschM This user is from outside of this forum
                  Michael Busch
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                  @labria @ZachWeinersmith

                  Here in Minnesota; I hear "y'all' used fairly often for second-person plural.

                  The northern versus southern United States dialect difference seems to be if "y'all" is used for second-person singular (which then leads to variations like "all y'all" for the plural).

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                  • CatelliC Catelli

                    @ZachWeinersmith Speaking as a Canadian that uses it only online...

                    I only use it as an affecctation for online communication. But vocally, it doesn't come easily off the tongue. If I try it, it's closer to Yuall.

                    MortenD This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @Catelli @ZachWeinersmith Same. I don't have an American accent so it sounds too weird but I'll use it online for emphasis.

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                    • May Likes TorontoM May Likes Toronto

                      @ZachWeinersmith I say y'all and folks IRL. It's often seen as unprofessional, but a lot of queer communities and allies are using it as gender neutral language.

                      PassengerP This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @mayintoronto @ZachWeinersmith

                      A frequent complaint I hear about "y'all" is that it's an Americanism, and that's considered low-status.

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                      • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

                        Hey linguistic dorks:

                        So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

                        PensionDanD This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @ZachWeinersmith I use it in emails to fill the English 2nd person plural deficit.

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                        • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

                          Hey linguistic dorks:

                          So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

                          John R MacMillanJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          John R MacMillan
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                          @ZachWeinersmith just one data point but I know Canadian Millenial and GenZ who use it in conversation.

                          I must admit though that despite having spent a fair bit of time as a Canadian in Texas, I still don't understand when and how to use "all y'all" appropriately.

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                          • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

                            Hey linguistic dorks:

                            So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

                            CatC This user is from outside of this forum
                            CatC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @ZachWeinersmith weirdly, when I lived in the South for school I didn't use "y'all" because it came off as ... unearned in a way

                            I only started using it later. And probably more online than IRL

                            part of that may well be because my IRL linguistic community in my current location understands "hey you guys?" to be genderfree whereas some of y'all will interrogate that assumption

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                            • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

                              Hey linguistic dorks:

                              So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

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                              @ZachWeinersmith

                              Mid Atlantic here. Culture has a mix of north and south. I've always used y'all vocally, and I use it typed also, but it feels weird in that context. I tend to type the way I speak, and I feel "y'all" has a better flow than "you all".

                              I guess I could rearrange the whole thing to type something normal, but then I wouldn't be typing as I speak.

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                              • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

                                Hey linguistic dorks:

                                So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

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                                @ZachWeinersmith I'm from Germany and have a strong second-person-singular-plural-distinction. You vs. y'all fits nicely when I want to make sure all are adressed. Also, feels better than "you guy" or smth.

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                                • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

                                  Hey linguistic dorks:

                                  So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

                                  Deborah Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦D This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @ZachWeinersmith @mayintoronto not a linguist, but a Canadian in tech, where "guys" has been liberally used too often, until lately.

                                  I adopted "y'all" and "folks" a number of years ago as antidotes to "guys". I use them online and off, and don't care if people do a double-take.

                                  But I don't hear others using them. It would be great if they did!

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                                  • MortenD Morten

                                    @Catelli @ZachWeinersmith Same. I don't have an American accent so it sounds too weird but I'll use it online for emphasis.

                                    Zach WeinersmithZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @drgroftehauge @Catelli Possibly it's hard because the actual pronunciation can be something more like yaw or even yawool, and if you don't saw it right it sounds off.

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                                    • May Likes TorontoM May Likes Toronto

                                      @ZachWeinersmith I say y'all and folks IRL. It's often seen as unprofessional, but a lot of queer communities and allies are using it as gender neutral language.

                                      Zach WeinersmithZ This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Zach WeinersmithZ This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Zach Weinersmith
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                                      @mayintoronto It's funny--my wife is from Ohio and says folks as if it's precisely synonymous with people. That is, it's totally neutral. But for me, saying "folks" is strictly for non-professional contexts. Like I wouldn't say "folks who work in accounting."

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                                      • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

                                        Hey linguistic dorks:

                                        So, I grew up in Texas where "y'all" was normal, though not always used when outside the US South. In the last 10-20 years, it seems like it's become normal. Like I see Canadians using it. But it occurred to me that I *actually* only see it used online. I had the impression that Y'all basically won the Second Person Plural wars via the popularity of AAVE, but perhaps it's more of an online slang usage?

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                                        @ZachWeinersmith If I hear or see 'y'all' in any variety of 'standard' English, I begin judging. Tryhard fake social media talk.

                                        If you're an authentic speaker of a kind of English that uses y'all, I think that's awesome. That's a totally different box of frogs from 'OMG clock this deal I found on Amazon y'all, link in description'.

                                        The only thing that makes me hurl harder is Big Political Accounts (you know who) using 'folks' or worse, 'friends'.

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                                        • Zach WeinersmithZ Zach Weinersmith

                                          @drgroftehauge @Catelli Possibly it's hard because the actual pronunciation can be something more like yaw or even yawool, and if you don't saw it right it sounds off.

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                                          @ZachWeinersmith @drgroftehauge

                                          Anecdote. I and a colleague were in Birmingham Alabama at a restaurant for dinner. Waiter was a great guy, with a southern accent.

                                          I asked him if he could detect our Canadian accent, and he said no. Was surprised we could hear his.

                                          So he said "Let me try to speak Canadian. 'Hey how y'all doin'?"

                                          My colleague and I dissolved into laughter. We explained the "y'all" to him and he had a good laugh too.

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