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Gamers Are Reportedly Skipping GPU Upgrades Due to Soaring Prices — Paying Bills Takes Priority Over Chasing NVIDIA’s RTX 5090

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  • V valmond@lemmy.world

    My kid got the 2060, I bought a RX 6400, I don’t need the hairy arms any more.

    Then again I have become old and grumpy, playing old games.

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    whatyouneed@lemmy.world
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    #152

    Hell, I’m still rocking with a GTX 950. It runs Left for Dead 2 and Team Fortress 2, what more do I need?

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    • C cm0002@lemmy.world

      Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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      matriks404@lemmy.world
      wrote on last edited by matriks404@lemmy.world
      #153

      I am still on my GTX 1060 3 GB, probably worth about $50 at this point lol

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      • C cm0002@lemmy.world

        Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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        t_berium@lemmy.world
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        #154

        I remember when High-end-GPUs were around 500 €.

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        • Lord WiggleL Lord Wiggle

          unless they’re rich or actually need it for something important

          Fucking youtubers and crypto miners.

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          pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          #155

          Crypto mining with GPUs is dead, the only relevant mining uses ASICs now, so it would be more accurate to say:

          Fucking youtubers and AI.

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          • M matriks404@lemmy.world

            I am still on my GTX 1060 3 GB, probably worth about $50 at this point lol

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            skyezopen@lemmy.world
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            #156

            I ran vr on one of those. Not well, but well enough.

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            • C cm0002@lemmy.world

              Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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              demognomicon@lemmy.world
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              #157

              I have a 4090. I don’t see any reason to pay $4K+ for fake frames and a few % better performance. Maybe post Trump next gen and/or if prices become reasonable and cables stop melting.

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              • JackbyDevJ JackbyDev

                Uhhh, I went from a Radeon 1090 (or whatever they’re called, it’s an older numbering scheme from ~2010) to a Nvidia 780 to an Nvidia 3070 TI. Skipping upgrades is normal. Console games effectively do that as well. It’s normal to not buy a GPU every year.

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                46_and_2@lemmy.world
                wrote on last edited by 46_and_2@lemmy.world
                #158

                As long as you make an upgrade that’s equivalent or better than the current console generation, you’re then basically good-to-go until the next generation of consoles comes.

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                • 4 46_and_2@lemmy.world

                  As long as you make an upgrade that’s equivalent or better than the current console generation, you’re then basically good-to-go until the next generation of consoles comes.

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                  JackbyDev
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                  #159

                  I don’t really care if my current graphics are better or worse than the current console generation, it was just an illustration comparing PC gaming to console gaming.

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                  • D demognomicon@lemmy.world

                    I have a 4090. I don’t see any reason to pay $4K+ for fake frames and a few % better performance. Maybe post Trump next gen and/or if prices become reasonable and cables stop melting.

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                    critical_thinker@lemm.ee
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                    #160

                    I don’t think the 5090 has been 4k in months in terms of average sale price. 4k was basically March. 3k is pretty common now as a listed scalp price, and completed sales on fleabay seem to be 2600-2800 commonly now.

                    The problem is that 2k was too much to begin with though. It should be cheaper, but they are selling ML cards at such a markup with true literal endless demand currently, there’s zero reason to put any focus at all on the gaming segment beyond a token offering that raises the margin for them, so business wise they are doing great I guess?

                    As a 9070xt and 6800xt owner, it feels like AMD is practically done with the gpu market. It just sucks for everyone that the gpu monopoly is here, presumably to stay. Feels like backroom deals creating a noncompetitive landscape must be prevalent, plus a total stranglehold with artificial monopoly of code compatibility from nvidia’s side make hardware irrelevant.

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                    • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                      Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                      radiofreearabia@lemmy.world
                      wrote on last edited by radiofreearabia@lemmy.world
                      #161

                      I just looked up the price and I was “Yikes!”. You can get a PS5 Pro + optional Blu-ray drive, Steam Deck OLED, Nintendo Switch 2 and still have plenty of money left to spend on games.

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                      • R Robust Mirror

                        I play in 1080p so can’t comment on 4k but I can confirm fps doesn’t seem to affect me after 30fps. I don’t perceive a noticeable difference between 30, 60, 120fps. Haven’t played higher than that. I suspect 4k would probably look better to me than a higher fps though. But I’m happy with 30-60fps and 1080p so…

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                        endeavor@sopuli.xyz
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                        #162

                        I went to 2k 100hz uw from 1080p 144hz. I stopped noticing the increased framerate pretty quickly as the “mouse so smooth” effects wear off fast. But the ultrawide huge fov is a massive plus. I don’t notice the resolution increase at all beyond lower frames and more text on screen in docs.

                        Laptops 4k is just 1080p with extra battery drain and worse performance.

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                        • D demognomicon@lemmy.world

                          I have a 4090. I don’t see any reason to pay $4K+ for fake frames and a few % better performance. Maybe post Trump next gen and/or if prices become reasonable and cables stop melting.

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                          boonhet@lemm.ee
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                          fake frames

                          And that’s my main problem with what the industry has become. Nvidia always had sizable jumps generation to generation, in raw performance. They STILL get better raw performance, but now it’s nowhere near impressive enough and they have to add their fake frame technologies into their graphs. Don’t get me wrong, they always had questionable marketing tactics, but now it’s getting even worse.

                          No idea when I’m replacing my 3060ti, but it won’t be nVidia.

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                          • C critical_thinker@lemm.ee

                            I don’t think the 5090 has been 4k in months in terms of average sale price. 4k was basically March. 3k is pretty common now as a listed scalp price, and completed sales on fleabay seem to be 2600-2800 commonly now.

                            The problem is that 2k was too much to begin with though. It should be cheaper, but they are selling ML cards at such a markup with true literal endless demand currently, there’s zero reason to put any focus at all on the gaming segment beyond a token offering that raises the margin for them, so business wise they are doing great I guess?

                            As a 9070xt and 6800xt owner, it feels like AMD is practically done with the gpu market. It just sucks for everyone that the gpu monopoly is here, presumably to stay. Feels like backroom deals creating a noncompetitive landscape must be prevalent, plus a total stranglehold with artificial monopoly of code compatibility from nvidia’s side make hardware irrelevant.

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                            brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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                            #164

                            One issue is everyone is supply constrained by TSMC. Even Arc Battlemage is OOS at MSRP.

                            I bet Intel is kicking themselves for using TSMC. It kinda made sense when they decided years ago, but holy heck, they’d be swimming in market share if they used their own fabs instead (and kept the bigger die).

                            I feel like another is… marketing?

                            Like, many buyers just impulse buy, or go with what some shill recommended in a feed. Doesn’t matter how competitive anything is anymore.

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                            • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                              Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                              finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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                              #165

                              I’m ngl, finances had no impact on my decisions to stay at 3080. Performance and support did. Everything I want to play runs at least 60 to 180 fps with my current loadout. I’m also afraid once Windows 10 LTSC dies I won’t be able to use a high end GPU with Linux anyways.

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                              • C critical_thinker@lemm.ee

                                I don’t think the 5090 has been 4k in months in terms of average sale price. 4k was basically March. 3k is pretty common now as a listed scalp price, and completed sales on fleabay seem to be 2600-2800 commonly now.

                                The problem is that 2k was too much to begin with though. It should be cheaper, but they are selling ML cards at such a markup with true literal endless demand currently, there’s zero reason to put any focus at all on the gaming segment beyond a token offering that raises the margin for them, so business wise they are doing great I guess?

                                As a 9070xt and 6800xt owner, it feels like AMD is practically done with the gpu market. It just sucks for everyone that the gpu monopoly is here, presumably to stay. Feels like backroom deals creating a noncompetitive landscape must be prevalent, plus a total stranglehold with artificial monopoly of code compatibility from nvidia’s side make hardware irrelevant.

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                                finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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                                #166

                                Technically Intel is also releasing some cheapo GPUs in similar capability to nVidia but they all have the same manufacturers anyways.

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                                • A arc99@lemmy.world

                                  Not surprised. Many of these high end GPUs are bought not for gaming but for bitcoin mining and demand has driven prices beyond MSRP in some cases. Stupidly power hungry and overpriced.

                                  My GPU which is an RTX2060 is getting a little long in the tooth and I’ll hand it off to one of the kids for their PC but I need to find something that is a tangible performance improvement without costing eleventy stupid dollars. Nvidia seems to be lying a lot about the performance of that 5060 so I might look at AMD or Intel next time around. Probably need to replace my PSU while I’m at it.

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                                  DefederateLemmyMl
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                                  bitcoin mining

                                  That’s a thing of the past, not profitable anymore unless you use ASIC miners. Some people still GPU mine it on niche coins, but it’s nowhere near the scale as it was during the bitcoin and ethereum craze a few years ago.

                                  AI is driving up prices or rather, it’s reducing availability, which then translates into higher prices.

                                  Another thing is that board manufacturers, distributors and retailers have figured out that they can jack up GPU prices above MSRP and enough suckers will still buy them. They’ll sell less volume but they’ll make more profit per unit.

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                                  • P phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee

                                    I bought my most expensive dream machine last year (when the RTX-4090 was still the best) and I am proud of it. I hope it’ll be my right for at least 10 years.

                                    But it was expensive.

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                                    brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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                                    #168

                                    It seemed like horrible value at the time, but in hindsight a 4090 was not the worst investment, hah.

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                                    • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                                      Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                                      hugenerd@lemmy.ca
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                                      Food, not ROBLOX.

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                                      • S simple

                                        Unfortunately gamers aren’t the real target audience for new GPUs, it’s AI bros. Even if nobody buys a 4090/5090 for gaming, they’re always out of stock as LLM enthusiasts and small companies use them for AI.

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                                        brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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                                        #170

                                        5090 is kinda terrible for AI actually. Its too expensive. It only just got support in pytorch, and if you look at ‘normie’ AI bros trying to use them online, shit doesn’t work.

                                        4090 is… mediocre because it’s expensive for 24GB. The 3090 is basically the best AI card Nvidia ever made, and tinkerers just opt for banks of them.

                                        Businesses tend to buy RTX Pro cards, rent cloud A100s/H100s or just use APIs.

                                        The server cards DO eat up TSMC capacity, but insane 4090/5090 prices is mostly Nvidia’s (and AMD’s) fault for literally being anticompetitive.

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                                        • W werecat@lemmy.world

                                          The progress is just not there.

                                          I’ve got RX 6800 XT for €400 in May 2023 which was at that point almost a 3y old card. Fastforward to today, the RX 9060 XT 16GB costs more and is still slower in raster. Only thing going for it is FSR4, better encoder and a bit better RT performance about which I couldn’t care less about.

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                                          DefederateLemmyMl
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                                          #171

                                          bit better RT performance about which I couldn’t care less about.

                                          Yeah raytracing is not really relevant on these cards, the performance hit is just too great.

                                          The RX 9070 XT is the first AMD GPU where you can consider turning it on.

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