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Gamers Are Reportedly Skipping GPU Upgrades Due to Soaring Prices — Paying Bills Takes Priority Over Chasing NVIDIA’s RTX 5090

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  • F finitebanjo@lemmy.world

    Technically Intel is also releasing some cheapo GPUs in similar capability to nVidia but they all have the same manufacturers anyways.

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    critical_thinker@lemm.ee
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    #187

    There’s major issues with those GPUs in some commonplace use cases and they have major scalping issues. Sure in some use cases there’s zero issues, but this aint like the early 2000s when there were many brands that all basically worked.

    Now you’re either nvidia with every feature, amd with most features (kinda like a store brand), or intel with major compatibility flaws with specific games because it’s technically a GPU.

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    • W werecat@lemmy.world

      But I wouldnt turn it on and actually play with it even if I could because I will always take the better performance.

      I’ve actually tried Path Tracing in CP2077 running at native Steam Deck resolution streamed to my Steam Deck OLED from my PC at max settings and it could do 30FPS locked fairly well (overlocked by 20% though). But the game looks absolutelly horrible in motion with it’s terrible LOD so no amount of RT or PT can save it. It looks dope for screenshots though. But that’s PT, RT is basically almost indistinguishable. And PT is many, many years away for it to be viable for majority of people to use.

      (The game reports W10 but it was Fedora42 actually)

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      DefederateLemmyMl
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      #188

      But I wouldnt turn it on and actually play with it even if I could because I will always take the better performance.

      Depends. In Cyberpunk I can get 90-100fps on 1440p on ultra with raytracing on and FSR4 Quality (via Optiscaler). That is a very good experience IMO, to the point that I forget about “framerate” while playing.

      That’s Windows though, in Linux the raytracing performance is rather worse for some reason and it slips below the threshold of what I find noticeable, so I go for 1440p native.

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      • G gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works

        Nvidia doesn’t really care about the high-end gamer demographic nearly as much as they used to, because it’s no longer their bread and butter. Nvidia’s cash cow at this point is supplying hardware for ML data centers. It’s an order of magnitude more lucrative than serving consumer + enthusiast market.

        So my next card is probably gonna be an RX 9070XT.

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        ameancow@lemmy.world
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        #189

        even the RX9070 is running around $900 USD, I cannot fathom affording even state-of-the-art gaming from years ago at this point. I am still using a GTX1660 and playing games from years ago I never got around to and having a grand time. Most adults I know are in the same boat and either not even considering upgrading their PC or they’re playing their kid’s console games.

        Every year we say “Gonna look into upgrading” but every year prices go up and wages stay the same (or disappear entirely as private-equity ravages the business world, digesting every company that isn’t also a private equity predator) and the prices of just living and eating are insane, so at this rate, a lot of us might start reading again.

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        • C critical_thinker@lemm.ee

          There’s major issues with those GPUs in some commonplace use cases and they have major scalping issues. Sure in some use cases there’s zero issues, but this aint like the early 2000s when there were many brands that all basically worked.

          Now you’re either nvidia with every feature, amd with most features (kinda like a store brand), or intel with major compatibility flaws with specific games because it’s technically a GPU.

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          finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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          #190

          I think patent laws and proprietary software supported by major OS have always had some impact, even the 90s, but yeah it’s definitely a poor state for the market to be this concentrated.

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          • T throwaway4669332255@lemmy.world

            IT litterally costs $3000

            Thats almost 4 time the cost of my 3090.

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            pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            wrote on last edited by
            #191

            Thats almost a year of work on my country lol…

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            • C cm0002@lemmy.world

              Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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              pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              #192

              Bah, AAA games aren’t interesting for me anymore. I like more indies nowadays, specially I am a fan of Doom-like games, I liked Selaco, Turbo-Overkill, I liked ghostrunner as well…

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              • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                bosht@lemmy.world
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                #193

                First: Nobody gives a shit about the ray tracing craze, like not really. It applies to a thin margin of games, and is an option easily turned off or avoided. Seeing as AAA games are most of the ones developing for it anyway, and seeing as most of those are utter shit, yeah I’m not buying into the craze and spending obnoxious amounts of money on it.

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                • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                  Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                  Melllvar
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                  #194

                  The GTX1660 I bought in 2023 for $300 is still running fine.

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                  • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                    Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                    excral@feddit.org
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                    #195

                    For me it’s the GPU prices, stagnation of the technology (most performance gains come at the cost of stupid power draw) and importantly being fed up with AAA games. Most games I played recently were a couple years old, indie titles or a couple years old indie titles. And I don’t need a high powered graphics card for that. I’ve been playing far more on my steam deck than my desktop PC, despite the latter having significantly more powerful hardware. You can’t force fun through sheer hardware performance

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                    • A ameancow@lemmy.world

                      even the RX9070 is running around $900 USD, I cannot fathom affording even state-of-the-art gaming from years ago at this point. I am still using a GTX1660 and playing games from years ago I never got around to and having a grand time. Most adults I know are in the same boat and either not even considering upgrading their PC or they’re playing their kid’s console games.

                      Every year we say “Gonna look into upgrading” but every year prices go up and wages stay the same (or disappear entirely as private-equity ravages the business world, digesting every company that isn’t also a private equity predator) and the prices of just living and eating are insane, so at this rate, a lot of us might start reading again.

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                      jacksilver@lemmy.world
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                      #196

                      It makes me wonder if this will bring more people back to consoles. The library may be more limiting, but when a console costs less than just a gpu, itll be more tempting.

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                      • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                        Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                        mongostein@lemmy.ca
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                        #197

                        There’s so many games out there I’d like to play, but I’m an adult with responsibilities. I don’t need the newest game or gaming hardware because no matter how hard I try to catch up I never will, so I don’t bother to try and I always have something to play on my hardware.

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                        • candyman337C candyman337

                          It’s just because I’m not impressed, like the raster performance bump for 1440p was just not worth the price jump at all. On top of that they have manufacturing issues and issues with their stupid 12 pin connector? And all the shit on the business side not providing drivers to reviewers etc. Fuuucccckk all that man. I’m waiting until AMD gets a little better with ray tracing and switching to team red.

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                          landedgentry@lemmy.zip
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                          #198

                          ::: spoiler spoiler asdfasfasfsadf :::

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                          • JustEnoughDucksJ JustEnoughDucks

                            It’s funny, because often they aren’t prettier. Well optimized and well made games from 5 or even 10 years ago often look on par better than the majority of AAA slop pushed out now (obviously with exceptions of some really good looking games like space marine and some others) and the disk size is still 10x what it was. They are just unrefined and unoptimized and try to use computationally expensive filters, lighting, sharpening, and antialiasing to make up for the mediocre quality.

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                            motoash@lemmy.world
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                            #199

                            The irony is it is optimized in several notable cases, like cyberpunk 2077 and most major ue5 engine based games. It’s just all the mipmap levels from distant to 4k up close really add up when the game actually has a decent amount of content.

                            I wonder how many people really run games at settings that require the highest detail. I bet a lot of people would appreciate half the DL size or more just to leave 'em out and disable ‘ultra’ settings.

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                            • appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comA appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                              Afaik the 2080was the last FE with a regular PCIe power connector.

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                              theobvioussolution@lemm.ee
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                              #200

                              3090s weren’t burning up, though.

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                              • L landedgentry@lemmy.zip

                                ::: spoiler spoiler asdfasfasfsadf :::

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                                candyman337
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                                #201

                                Yeah I have a 3080ti, If I had an older card I would 100% be buying AMD right now though.

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                                • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                                  Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                                  itsmrchristmas@lemmy.zip
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                                  GPU prices are what drove me back to consoles. It was time to overhaul my PC as it was getting painfully out of date. Video card alone was gonna be 700. Meanwhile a whole ass PS5 that plays the same games was 500.

                                  It’s been 2 years since and I don’t regret it. I miss mods, but not nearly as much as I thought. It also SOOO nice to play multiplayer games without cheaters everywhere. I actually used to be one of those people who thought controllers gave an unfair advantage but… you can use a M/KB on PS5 and guess what? I do just fine! Turns out that the problem was never controllers, it was the cheaters.

                                  But then there is that. The controller. Oh my lord it’s so much more comfortable than even the best gaming mouse. I’ve done a complete 180 on this. So many game genres are just so terrible to play with M/KB that I now tell people whining about controller players this:

                                  Use gaming equipment for gaming and leave office equipment in the office.

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                                  • pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.comP pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                    Thats almost a year of work on my country lol…

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                                    pinesolcario@lemy.lol
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                                    #203

                                    1 2-week take home check for me. AMD is where I stay. $650 card lasting me 5 years on a 2k UWHD monitor at more than 180 FPS.

                                    I’ll never understand NVIDIA owners.

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                                    • P pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                      Crypto mining with GPUs is dead, the only relevant mining uses ASICs now, so it would be more accurate to say:

                                      Fucking youtubers and AI.

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                                      Lord Wiggle
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                                      Fuck I’m old.

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                                      • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                                        Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                                        RedSnt 👓♂️🖥️
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                                        #205

                                        It’s like how banks figured there was more money in catering to the super rich and just shit all over the rest of us peasants, GPU manufacturers that got big because of gamers have now turned their backs to us to cater to the insane “AI” agenda.
                                        Also, friendly advice, unless you need CUDA cores and you have to upgrade, try avoiding Nvidia.

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                                        • I incogcyberspaceuser@lemmy.world

                                          What’s wrong with 4k gaming? Just curious

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                                          kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                          4K is an outrageously high resolution.

                                          If I was conspiratorial I would say that 4K was normalized as the next step above 1440p in order to create a demand for many generations of new graphics cards. Because it was introduced long before there was hardware able to use it without serious compromises. (I don’t actually think it’s a conspiracy though.)

                                          For comparison, 1440p has 78% more pixels than 1080p. That’s quite a jump in pixel density and required performance.

                                          4K has 125% more pixels than 1440p (300% more than 1080p). The step up is massive, and the additional performance required is as well.

                                          Now there is a resolution that we are missing in between them. 3200x1800 is the natural next step above 1440p*. At 56% more pixels it would be a nice improvement, without an outrageous jump in performance. But it doesn’t exist outside of a few laptops for some reason.

                                          *All these resolutions are multiples of 640x360. 720p is 2x, 1080p is 3x, 1440p is 4x, and 4K is 6x. 1800p is the missing 5x.

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