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Gamers Are Reportedly Skipping GPU Upgrades Due to Soaring Prices — Paying Bills Takes Priority Over Chasing NVIDIA’s RTX 5090

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  • C cybranm@feddit.nu

    The entire move to the realtime raytracing paradigm, which has enabled AAA game devs to get very sloppy with development by not really bothering to optimize any lighting, nor textures

    You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about here. Ray tracing has nothing to do with textures and very few games force you to use RT. What is “allowing” devs to skimp on optimization (which is also questionable, older games weren’t perfect either) is DLSS and other dynamic resolution + upscaling tech

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    lordbritishbusiness@lemmy.world
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    Doom the Dark Ages is possibly what they’re referring to. ID skipped lighting in favour of Ray tracing doing it.

    Bethesda Studios also has a tendency to use hd textures on features like grass and terrain which can safely be low res.

    There is a fair bit of inefficient code floating around because optimisation is considered more expensive than throwing more hardware at a problem, and not just in games. (Bonus points if you outsource the optimisation to some else’s hardware or the modding community)

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    • C cm0002@lemmy.world

      Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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      JackbyDev
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      #122

      Uhhh, I went from a Radeon 1090 (or whatever they’re called, it’s an older numbering scheme from ~2010) to a Nvidia 780 to an Nvidia 3070 TI. Skipping upgrades is normal. Console games effectively do that as well. It’s normal to not buy a GPU every year.

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      • C cm0002@lemmy.world

        Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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        hark@lemmy.world
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        #123

        I’m still using my GTX 1070. There just aren’t enough new high-spec games that I’m interested in to justify paying the outrageous prices that NVIDIA is demanding and that AMD follows too closely behind on. Even if there were enough games, I’d refuse to upgrade out of principle, I will not reward price gouging. There are so many older/lower-spec games that I haven’t yet played that run perfectly for me to care. So many games, in fact, that I couldn’t get through all of them in my lifetime.

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        • C cybranm@feddit.nu

          Have you tried 4k? The difference is definitely noticeable unless you play on like a 20" screen

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          endeavor@sopuli.xyz
          wrote on last edited by endeavor@sopuli.xyz
          #124

          Yes its pointless, most noticable is the low frame rate and lowered graphics to make the game playable. High fps is more noticable and useful. Blind tests confirmed that, even the one ltt did.

          2k could be argued is solid but even then the ppi is so dense already it does not really matter.

          Edit: then again there is some research showing people preceive fps and ppindifferently so it may be 4k makes sense for some while for others its really overpriced 2k that no pc can run.

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          • S simple

            Unfortunately gamers aren’t the real target audience for new GPUs, it’s AI bros. Even if nobody buys a 4090/5090 for gaming, they’re always out of stock as LLM enthusiasts and small companies use them for AI.

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            imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            #125

            Ex-fucking-actly!

            Ajajaja, gamers are skipping. Yeah, they do. And yet 5090 is still somehow out of stock. No matter the price or state of gaming. We all know major tech went AI direction disregarding average Joe about either they want or not to go AI. The prices are not for gamers. The prices are for whales, AI companies and enthusiasts.

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            • C cm0002@lemmy.world

              Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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              theobvioussolution@lemm.ee
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              #126

              Oh totes. NVIDIA continuing to lie even more blatantly to their face, driver bricking issues on updates, missing GPU ROPS performance, even more burn problems with a connector they knew continued to be problematic and lied about it, they and their retail partners releasing very limited inventory and then serving internal scalping while also being increasingly hostile to the rest of their consumers, ray tracing performance improvements they have to exclusive push in certain games and the newest most expensive hardware to actually get any benefit from their cards, false MSRP pricing and no recourse for long time loyal customers except a lottery in the US while the rest of the regions get screwed. Totes just that it’s “too expensive”, because when have gamers ever splurged on their hobby?

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              • Frenchfryenjoyer (she/her)F Frenchfryenjoyer (she/her)

                I have a 3080 and am surviving lol. never had an issue

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                theobvioussolution@lemm.ee
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                #127

                Pretty wise, that’s the generation before the 12HVPWR connectors started burning up.

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                • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                  Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                  kevinsbacon@lemmy.today
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                  #128

                  All I want is more VRAM, it can already play all the games I want.

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                  • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                    Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                    allemaniac@lemmy.world
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                    #129

                    I’m sitting on a 3060 TI and waiting for the 40-series prices to drop further. Ain’t no universe where I would pay full price for the newest gens. I don’t need to render anything for work with my PC, so a 2-3 year old GPU will do just fine

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                    • theobvioussolution@lemm.eeT theobvioussolution@lemm.ee

                      Pretty wise, that’s the generation before the 12HVPWR connectors started burning up.

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                      appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                      #130

                      Afaik the 2080was the last FE with a regular PCIe power connector.

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                      • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                        Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                        gamechld@lemmy.world
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                        #131

                        Don’t think I’ll be moving on from my 7900XTX for a long while. Quite pleased with it.

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                        • A allemaniac@lemmy.world

                          I’m sitting on a 3060 TI and waiting for the 40-series prices to drop further. Ain’t no universe where I would pay full price for the newest gens. I don’t need to render anything for work with my PC, so a 2-3 year old GPU will do just fine

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                          okmko@lemmy.world
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                          Exact same here and I’m upgrading any time soon. MHWilds runs like ass no matter the card and I’m back to playing Hoi4 in the mean time.

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                          • K kevinsbacon@lemmy.today

                            All I want is more VRAM, it can already play all the games I want.

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                            rvtv95xbeo@sh.itjust.works
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                            But with our new system we can make up 10x as many fake frames to cram between your real ones, giving you 2500 FPS! Isn’t that awesome???

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                            • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                              Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                              piemeplenty@lemmy.world
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                              #134

                              Why not just buy a cheaper one? X060 or X070 series is usually fine in price and runs everything at high enough settings. Flagship is for maxed out everything on 4k+ resolutions. And in those cases, everything else is larger and more expensive as well; the monitor needs to be 4k, huge ass PSU, large case to fit the PSU and card in, even the power draw and energy… costs just start growing exponentially.

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                              • P piemeplenty@lemmy.world

                                Why not just buy a cheaper one? X060 or X070 series is usually fine in price and runs everything at high enough settings. Flagship is for maxed out everything on 4k+ resolutions. And in those cases, everything else is larger and more expensive as well; the monitor needs to be 4k, huge ass PSU, large case to fit the PSU and card in, even the power draw and energy… costs just start growing exponentially.

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                                piemanding@sh.itjust.works
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                                #135

                                For me, with a 2080 already, I would have to spend much more than what my gpu was worth to have any significant upgrade. It’s just not worth it.

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                                • hark@lemmy.worldH hark@lemmy.world

                                  I’m still using my GTX 1070. There just aren’t enough new high-spec games that I’m interested in to justify paying the outrageous prices that NVIDIA is demanding and that AMD follows too closely behind on. Even if there were enough games, I’d refuse to upgrade out of principle, I will not reward price gouging. There are so many older/lower-spec games that I haven’t yet played that run perfectly for me to care. So many games, in fact, that I couldn’t get through all of them in my lifetime.

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                                  ougie@lemmy.world
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                                  Lezgooo 1070 crew reporting in (☞゚ヮ゚)☞

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                                  • C Cethin

                                    It’s never been normal to upgrade every year, and it still isn’t. Every three years is probably still more frequent than normal. The issue is there haven’t been reasonable prices for cards for like 8 years, and it’s worse more recently. People who are “due” for an upgrade aren’t because it’s unaffordable.

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                                    Robust Mirror
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                                    #137

                                    If consoles can last 6-8 years per gen so can my PC.

                                    Your PC can run 796 of the top 1000 most popular games listed on PCGameBenchmark - at a recommended system level.

                                    That’s more than good enough for me.

                                    I don’t remember exactly when I built this PC but I want to say right before covid, and I haven’t felt any need for an upgrade yet.

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                                    • C cm0002@lemmy.world

                                      Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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                                      arc99@lemmy.world
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                                      #138

                                      Not surprised. Many of these high end GPUs are bought not for gaming but for bitcoin mining and demand has driven prices beyond MSRP in some cases. Stupidly power hungry and overpriced.

                                      My GPU which is an RTX2060 is getting a little long in the tooth and I’ll hand it off to one of the kids for their PC but I need to find something that is a tangible performance improvement without costing eleventy stupid dollars. Nvidia seems to be lying a lot about the performance of that 5060 so I might look at AMD or Intel next time around. Probably need to replace my PSU while I’m at it.

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                                      • G grindinggears@lemmy.ca

                                        Problem is preordering has been normalized, as has releasing games in pre-alpha state.

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                                        Robust Mirror
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                                        Anyone that preorders a digital game is a dummy. Preorders were created to assure you got some of the limited physical stock.

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                                        • E endeavor@sopuli.xyz

                                          Yes its pointless, most noticable is the low frame rate and lowered graphics to make the game playable. High fps is more noticable and useful. Blind tests confirmed that, even the one ltt did.

                                          2k could be argued is solid but even then the ppi is so dense already it does not really matter.

                                          Edit: then again there is some research showing people preceive fps and ppindifferently so it may be 4k makes sense for some while for others its really overpriced 2k that no pc can run.

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                                          Robust Mirror
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                                          I play in 1080p so can’t comment on 4k but I can confirm fps doesn’t seem to affect me after 30fps. I don’t perceive a noticeable difference between 30, 60, 120fps. Haven’t played higher than that. I suspect 4k would probably look better to me than a higher fps though. But I’m happy with 30-60fps and 1080p so…

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