Having curled myself, I can assure you it does not…and if it did make a difference, it would almost certainly be negative, since you’re giving up any semblance of control that you had on the actual throw. There’s not going to be some “precision poke” that magically steers it where it needs to go. But don’t take my word for it.

Does it make any difference?

“No. The double-touching that I’ve seen has been incidental contact, and that’s fingers brushing or hand brushing on a 40-pound piece of granite,” said Eugene Hritzuk, a Canadian curler based in Saskatoon who has been involved in competitive curling and coaching for more than 60 years.

“What can fingers brushing against a 40-pound piece of granite do in any event? You need the palm on your hand against that stone to do anything.”

Delivering a stone entails acute skills to slide on line and on pace, he said.

Once sliding on target and at the right speed, releasing the stone and then touching it with any force would cause it to veer off its intended line and speed, Hritzuk said. “That would not be advantageous to good execution.”

Canadian curling commentator John Cullen, who hosted the CBC podcast Broomgate: A Curling Scandal, said most top curlers will say that double-touching has no effect on the stone.

As well, most top curlers will double-touch at times and don’t think it’s a foul, he said.

“The idea that a top curler would let a rock go and then want to try to adjust it with their finger —it doesn’t seem like there’s any way you could get an advantage from that. It feels like it would be worse.”

But as I said, the rules are the rules, and I don’t think it’s wrong to enforce them.

We’re not sending our best [to the Olympics]

That does seem like solid proof

It’s strange then how this is a common strategy among cheaters in curling, and that it is exactly what the Canadian team is known for, and it is illegal to do for precisely that reason.

Yes I am a violent drug addicted criminal, I don’t know maybe you’re a nice kid in school and wear shirts and stuff but around my hood we don’t.

Its a snapshot, he could have released this handle and retracted his hand with his finger off to side of the tangent of the rock. Wed need frames before and after for better review

…if said billiard ball weighed 40 lbs.

A little finger poke ain’t gonna do shit.

But, the rules are the rules.

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7671573

Sweden knew Canada’s Marc Kennedy was a notorious cheater.

So they set up a camera at the ‘hog line’ to record it.

And caught him doing it at the Olympics.

tweto

There is a line after which they are no longer allowed to touch the stone. The handles on the stone have sensors on it, to detect a touch after the line and call foul. But the Canadians touched the stone itself, not the handles. Which isn’t a legal move, but isn’t automatically detected. And with how they did it, the refs didn’t see it right away.

Edit: Correction, it doesn’t actually matter if it’s before or after the hog line, once the handle is released on the stone nobody is allowed to touch it anymore. The release has to be before the hog line, but there is no touching after that regardless of where the stone is.

I can’t imagine why people think it wouldn’t have an effect. This is a sport where brooms have an effect. Why wouldn’t a push have an effect? And if it had no effect why do they do it?

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7671573

Sweden knew Canada’s Marc Kennedy was a notorious cheater.

So they set up a camera at the ‘hog line’ to record it.

And caught him doing it at the Olympics.

tweto

That’s cheap anti-Western propaganda provided by hexbear.

The brooms affect the ice in front of the rock, which changes the rock’s behaviour as it moves over the swept patch. You have to exert quite a bit of force to push the rock directly.

And if it had no effect why do they do it?

Sometimes by accident, I’m sure. And probably more relevant, sometimes out of sheer laziness.

I trust whatever committee they have at the Olympics to make the judgement on this, but if our team is cheating, fuck those guys.

Yes, there’s some redactionist arguments about how it “doesn’t actually impact the rock,” but fuck that. We have a codified rule that specifically says you can’t do it, and these athletes are playing at literally the highest level that exists. They know better and have had time to practice better. If they’re cheating at the Olympics, I hope it follows them forever.

If it doesn’t impact the rock, then why do they risk breaking the rules to do it?

Ah let’s be honest here… That was neither laziness nor accidental.

If it doesn’t impact the rock, then why do they risk breaking the rules to do it?

…if said billiard ball weighed 40 lbs.

A little finger poke ain’t gonna do shit.

But, the rules are the rules.

A little finger poke ain’t gonna do shit.

a slight drag will prevent over -rotation of the stone.

Regardless, it’s a fucking rule.

Having curled myself, I can assure you it does not…and if it did make a difference, it would almost certainly be negative, since you’re giving up any semblance of control that you had on the actual throw. There’s not going to be some “precision poke” that magically steers it where it needs to go. But don’t take my word for it.

Does it make any difference?

“No. The double-touching that I’ve seen has been incidental contact, and that’s fingers brushing or hand brushing on a 40-pound piece of granite,” said Eugene Hritzuk, a Canadian curler based in Saskatoon who has been involved in competitive curling and coaching for more than 60 years.

“What can fingers brushing against a 40-pound piece of granite do in any event? You need the palm on your hand against that stone to do anything.”

Delivering a stone entails acute skills to slide on line and on pace, he said.

Once sliding on target and at the right speed, releasing the stone and then touching it with any force would cause it to veer off its intended line and speed, Hritzuk said. “That would not be advantageous to good execution.”

Canadian curling commentator John Cullen, who hosted the CBC podcast Broomgate: A Curling Scandal, said most top curlers will say that double-touching has no effect on the stone.

As well, most top curlers will double-touch at times and don’t think it’s a foul, he said.

“The idea that a top curler would let a rock go and then want to try to adjust it with their finger —it doesn’t seem like there’s any way you could get an advantage from that. It feels like it would be worse.”

But as I said, the rules are the rules, and I don’t think it’s wrong to enforce them.