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UPDATE: One of the company owners (whom I've known for many years and is a good person) has asked to speak with me in about fifteen minutes.

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  • iredaveI iredave

    @stefano why not renegotiate your rates to a pfo number and set an SLA?

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    wrote last edited by
    #17

    @iredave I don't think I want to work with them anymore. Unless they'll hire a new manager.

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    • matuzalemM matuzalem

      @stefano we are all rooting for you. Corporatism sucks.

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      #18

      @stefano something is wrong with my client it seems it has triple vision!

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      • matuzalemM matuzalem

        @stefano we are all rooting for you. Corporatism sucks.

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        #19

        @stefano something is wrong with my client it seems it has triple vision!

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        • Paul ArmstrongP Paul Armstrong

          @stefano Sometimes, it's important to fire the customer.

          Don't forget to take detailed contemporaneous notes, just in case they do actually employ a lawyer dumb enough to look at this and decide they can get away with suing you.

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          #20

          @psa I will. But they won't do anything.

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          • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

            UPDATE: One of the company owners (whom I've known for many years and is a good person) has asked to speak with me in about fifteen minutes. I've agreed. I'm curious to see what he has to say. I'll update this post after the call.

            Yesterday I lost a client. And I couldn't be happier about it.

            It's a long-standing client, but the management changed a few months ago. On Monday, they requested an emergency intervention, which I handled immediately.

            On Tuesday (yesterday, evening), they asked for a non-urgent enhancement to be closed by Wednesday evening. I explained that due to various reasons (including urgent family matters), I wouldn't be able to finish the task before Friday. That's when the lecturing started: they told me they set tight deadlines even for non-emergencies because "that's the proper way to do things", and anyone working with them must respect them without exception.

            I requested a video call to clarify. I explained that the work requires nearly a full day and that I simply couldn't close it by Wednesday. Even the physical time required to copy the data exceeded their deadline. But the new management believes that by applying pressure, you can overcome anything. Even the laws of physics.

            Their response was sarcastic: "Our requests take priority, even if you are dying". I smiled and reiterated that I had no other way. "We will therefore have to find a new consultant who respects our timing", they said.

            My response: "Okay. Our agreement expired on 31st December. I was waiting for a renewal, but it never arrived. Meaning, I have no legal obligations toward you. You have the data, the passwords, everything. Have a great day.".

            The manager, annoyed and failing to understand the implications, replied: "Fine, we’ll look for someone younger with fewer family ties to manage.".

            This morning, the phone rang. It was the manager, asking me to reconsider. His tone remained contemptuous, so I told him my decision was final. Two minutes later, I got a call from their biggest client - the one responsible for over 50% of their revenue. They had been notified I was leaving and informed the company they would also leave if I was no longer the one supervising their machines.

            I called the manager back, friendly, trying to see if they were willing to change their attitude - to move from peremptory orders to requests between human beings. He started talking about "suing for damages" if they lost their main client because of me (to be clear: I am not taking that client for myself).

            I don’t know how this story will evolve, but right now, I'm just enjoying a breath of fresh air outside my window.

            #IT #FreelanceLife #WorkLifeBalance #ToxicManagement #TechLife #Consulting #SelfEmployed

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            #21

            @stefano typical nogoodnick manager BS: more pressure equals more results. Closely followed by: everything can be solved through reprioritization.

            NOTHING on the business side is a matter of life and death. If it is you failed way before today.

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            • Santiago, né ? :amiga: 👾S Santiago, né ? :amiga: 👾

              @stefano Assholes, trained into being worse assholes are going to be assholes 🙄

              Nothing like asking an actual local lawyer about the next steps. Who knows maybe you can sue them. Probably threatening to financially ruin someone who is simply not wanting to renew an expired contract isn’t legal.

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              #22

              @santi it should be fine. I asked for a renewal many times, in the last few months, but they had other priorities (like advertising, etc)

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              • gtewallaceG gtewallace

                @stefano Forza Stefano! thank you for sharing your stories from the trenches, i appreciate it. Remember the words of the great Tom Petty "you can stand me up at the gates of hell, but I won't back down"

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                #23

                @gtewallace thank Greg!

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                • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                  UPDATE: One of the company owners (whom I've known for many years and is a good person) has asked to speak with me in about fifteen minutes. I've agreed. I'm curious to see what he has to say. I'll update this post after the call.

                  Yesterday I lost a client. And I couldn't be happier about it.

                  It's a long-standing client, but the management changed a few months ago. On Monday, they requested an emergency intervention, which I handled immediately.

                  On Tuesday (yesterday, evening), they asked for a non-urgent enhancement to be closed by Wednesday evening. I explained that due to various reasons (including urgent family matters), I wouldn't be able to finish the task before Friday. That's when the lecturing started: they told me they set tight deadlines even for non-emergencies because "that's the proper way to do things", and anyone working with them must respect them without exception.

                  I requested a video call to clarify. I explained that the work requires nearly a full day and that I simply couldn't close it by Wednesday. Even the physical time required to copy the data exceeded their deadline. But the new management believes that by applying pressure, you can overcome anything. Even the laws of physics.

                  Their response was sarcastic: "Our requests take priority, even if you are dying". I smiled and reiterated that I had no other way. "We will therefore have to find a new consultant who respects our timing", they said.

                  My response: "Okay. Our agreement expired on 31st December. I was waiting for a renewal, but it never arrived. Meaning, I have no legal obligations toward you. You have the data, the passwords, everything. Have a great day.".

                  The manager, annoyed and failing to understand the implications, replied: "Fine, we’ll look for someone younger with fewer family ties to manage.".

                  This morning, the phone rang. It was the manager, asking me to reconsider. His tone remained contemptuous, so I told him my decision was final. Two minutes later, I got a call from their biggest client - the one responsible for over 50% of their revenue. They had been notified I was leaving and informed the company they would also leave if I was no longer the one supervising their machines.

                  I called the manager back, friendly, trying to see if they were willing to change their attitude - to move from peremptory orders to requests between human beings. He started talking about "suing for damages" if they lost their main client because of me (to be clear: I am not taking that client for myself).

                  I don’t know how this story will evolve, but right now, I'm just enjoying a breath of fresh air outside my window.

                  #IT #FreelanceLife #WorkLifeBalance #ToxicManagement #TechLife #Consulting #SelfEmployed

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                  wrote last edited by
                  #24

                  @stefano certi manager dovrebbero provare l’ascetismo e l’isolamento sociale visto quanto sono inadatti a relazionarsi con gli altri.

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                  • IT DudeI IT Dude

                    @stefano they want to sue an external BACK into a contract?
                    Actually their client could sue THEM because someone had access to their machines to whome they didn't have a contract with any more?

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                    #25

                    @itdude exactly!

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                    • IT DudeI IT Dude

                      @stefano they want to sue an external BACK into a contract?
                      Actually their client could sue THEM because someone had access to their machines to whome they didn't have a contract with any more?

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                      #26

                      @itdude *lol* yeah sounds more and more like Musk throwing a fit and suing b/c people didn't want to advertise on X anymore. Good on you @stefano for letting that arsehole go.

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                      • Carson ChittomC Carson Chittom

                        @stefano "Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part," as they say.

                        I don't know the first thing about Italian law, but at least logically speaking it would seem that a lawsuit should be an empty threat, if your agreement expired at the end of the year. The coffeeshop doesn't have to give you a cup of coffee today just because you paid for one yesterday.

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                        #27

                        @carson exactly. I'm quite relaxed. It was just another way to force me.

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                        • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                          @andersgo no, nothing like that. Just one of those managers that thinks they can "win" by being aggressive.

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                          @stefano @andersgo it's a sad fact these people keep on trying to bully their way along.

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                          • Simone Martelli 🏴‍☠️S Simone Martelli 🏴‍☠️

                            @stefano certi manager dovrebbero provare l’ascetismo e l’isolamento sociale visto quanto sono inadatti a relazionarsi con gli altri.

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                            @simonemartelli davvero. La cosa carina è che non capiscono nulla di ciò di cui si parla ma danno ordini perentori a tutti.

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                            • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                              UPDATE: One of the company owners (whom I've known for many years and is a good person) has asked to speak with me in about fifteen minutes. I've agreed. I'm curious to see what he has to say. I'll update this post after the call.

                              Yesterday I lost a client. And I couldn't be happier about it.

                              It's a long-standing client, but the management changed a few months ago. On Monday, they requested an emergency intervention, which I handled immediately.

                              On Tuesday (yesterday, evening), they asked for a non-urgent enhancement to be closed by Wednesday evening. I explained that due to various reasons (including urgent family matters), I wouldn't be able to finish the task before Friday. That's when the lecturing started: they told me they set tight deadlines even for non-emergencies because "that's the proper way to do things", and anyone working with them must respect them without exception.

                              I requested a video call to clarify. I explained that the work requires nearly a full day and that I simply couldn't close it by Wednesday. Even the physical time required to copy the data exceeded their deadline. But the new management believes that by applying pressure, you can overcome anything. Even the laws of physics.

                              Their response was sarcastic: "Our requests take priority, even if you are dying". I smiled and reiterated that I had no other way. "We will therefore have to find a new consultant who respects our timing", they said.

                              My response: "Okay. Our agreement expired on 31st December. I was waiting for a renewal, but it never arrived. Meaning, I have no legal obligations toward you. You have the data, the passwords, everything. Have a great day.".

                              The manager, annoyed and failing to understand the implications, replied: "Fine, we’ll look for someone younger with fewer family ties to manage.".

                              This morning, the phone rang. It was the manager, asking me to reconsider. His tone remained contemptuous, so I told him my decision was final. Two minutes later, I got a call from their biggest client - the one responsible for over 50% of their revenue. They had been notified I was leaving and informed the company they would also leave if I was no longer the one supervising their machines.

                              I called the manager back, friendly, trying to see if they were willing to change their attitude - to move from peremptory orders to requests between human beings. He started talking about "suing for damages" if they lost their main client because of me (to be clear: I am not taking that client for myself).

                              I don’t know how this story will evolve, but right now, I'm just enjoying a breath of fresh air outside my window.

                              #IT #FreelanceLife #WorkLifeBalance #ToxicManagement #TechLife #Consulting #SelfEmployed

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                              @stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe Congratulations!
                              They sound toxic as hell.

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                              • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                                UPDATE: One of the company owners (whom I've known for many years and is a good person) has asked to speak with me in about fifteen minutes. I've agreed. I'm curious to see what he has to say. I'll update this post after the call.

                                Yesterday I lost a client. And I couldn't be happier about it.

                                It's a long-standing client, but the management changed a few months ago. On Monday, they requested an emergency intervention, which I handled immediately.

                                On Tuesday (yesterday, evening), they asked for a non-urgent enhancement to be closed by Wednesday evening. I explained that due to various reasons (including urgent family matters), I wouldn't be able to finish the task before Friday. That's when the lecturing started: they told me they set tight deadlines even for non-emergencies because "that's the proper way to do things", and anyone working with them must respect them without exception.

                                I requested a video call to clarify. I explained that the work requires nearly a full day and that I simply couldn't close it by Wednesday. Even the physical time required to copy the data exceeded their deadline. But the new management believes that by applying pressure, you can overcome anything. Even the laws of physics.

                                Their response was sarcastic: "Our requests take priority, even if you are dying". I smiled and reiterated that I had no other way. "We will therefore have to find a new consultant who respects our timing", they said.

                                My response: "Okay. Our agreement expired on 31st December. I was waiting for a renewal, but it never arrived. Meaning, I have no legal obligations toward you. You have the data, the passwords, everything. Have a great day.".

                                The manager, annoyed and failing to understand the implications, replied: "Fine, we’ll look for someone younger with fewer family ties to manage.".

                                This morning, the phone rang. It was the manager, asking me to reconsider. His tone remained contemptuous, so I told him my decision was final. Two minutes later, I got a call from their biggest client - the one responsible for over 50% of their revenue. They had been notified I was leaving and informed the company they would also leave if I was no longer the one supervising their machines.

                                I called the manager back, friendly, trying to see if they were willing to change their attitude - to move from peremptory orders to requests between human beings. He started talking about "suing for damages" if they lost their main client because of me (to be clear: I am not taking that client for myself).

                                I don’t know how this story will evolve, but right now, I'm just enjoying a breath of fresh air outside my window.

                                #IT #FreelanceLife #WorkLifeBalance #ToxicManagement #TechLife #Consulting #SelfEmployed

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                                @stefano Holy cow, thats wild. If a company has messed up this situation on purpose exactly like that, I would be the first one showing off their limits by increasing the price to a level, so they might be reconsiderung by themselves. I always offer a helping hand and do not break first. but it gets much more expensive 🙂 In german we call it "Schmerzensgeld"

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                                • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                                  UPDATE: One of the company owners (whom I've known for many years and is a good person) has asked to speak with me in about fifteen minutes. I've agreed. I'm curious to see what he has to say. I'll update this post after the call.

                                  Yesterday I lost a client. And I couldn't be happier about it.

                                  It's a long-standing client, but the management changed a few months ago. On Monday, they requested an emergency intervention, which I handled immediately.

                                  On Tuesday (yesterday, evening), they asked for a non-urgent enhancement to be closed by Wednesday evening. I explained that due to various reasons (including urgent family matters), I wouldn't be able to finish the task before Friday. That's when the lecturing started: they told me they set tight deadlines even for non-emergencies because "that's the proper way to do things", and anyone working with them must respect them without exception.

                                  I requested a video call to clarify. I explained that the work requires nearly a full day and that I simply couldn't close it by Wednesday. Even the physical time required to copy the data exceeded their deadline. But the new management believes that by applying pressure, you can overcome anything. Even the laws of physics.

                                  Their response was sarcastic: "Our requests take priority, even if you are dying". I smiled and reiterated that I had no other way. "We will therefore have to find a new consultant who respects our timing", they said.

                                  My response: "Okay. Our agreement expired on 31st December. I was waiting for a renewal, but it never arrived. Meaning, I have no legal obligations toward you. You have the data, the passwords, everything. Have a great day.".

                                  The manager, annoyed and failing to understand the implications, replied: "Fine, we’ll look for someone younger with fewer family ties to manage.".

                                  This morning, the phone rang. It was the manager, asking me to reconsider. His tone remained contemptuous, so I told him my decision was final. Two minutes later, I got a call from their biggest client - the one responsible for over 50% of their revenue. They had been notified I was leaving and informed the company they would also leave if I was no longer the one supervising their machines.

                                  I called the manager back, friendly, trying to see if they were willing to change their attitude - to move from peremptory orders to requests between human beings. He started talking about "suing for damages" if they lost their main client because of me (to be clear: I am not taking that client for myself).

                                  I don’t know how this story will evolve, but right now, I'm just enjoying a breath of fresh air outside my window.

                                  #IT #FreelanceLife #WorkLifeBalance #ToxicManagement #TechLife #Consulting #SelfEmployed

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                                  @stefano go Stefano ❤

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                                  • Paul BrowneB Paul Browne

                                    @stefano @andersgo it's a sad fact these people keep on trying to bully their way along.

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                                    @stefano @andersgo I am currently suffering under an FD of a similar type, brought in by the VC firm that acquired my company. You have my admiration for being so clear and strong.

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                                    • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                                      @iredave I don't think I want to work with them anymore. Unless they'll hire a new manager.

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                                      @stefano @iredave I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened.

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                                      • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                                        UPDATE: One of the company owners (whom I've known for many years and is a good person) has asked to speak with me in about fifteen minutes. I've agreed. I'm curious to see what he has to say. I'll update this post after the call.

                                        Yesterday I lost a client. And I couldn't be happier about it.

                                        It's a long-standing client, but the management changed a few months ago. On Monday, they requested an emergency intervention, which I handled immediately.

                                        On Tuesday (yesterday, evening), they asked for a non-urgent enhancement to be closed by Wednesday evening. I explained that due to various reasons (including urgent family matters), I wouldn't be able to finish the task before Friday. That's when the lecturing started: they told me they set tight deadlines even for non-emergencies because "that's the proper way to do things", and anyone working with them must respect them without exception.

                                        I requested a video call to clarify. I explained that the work requires nearly a full day and that I simply couldn't close it by Wednesday. Even the physical time required to copy the data exceeded their deadline. But the new management believes that by applying pressure, you can overcome anything. Even the laws of physics.

                                        Their response was sarcastic: "Our requests take priority, even if you are dying". I smiled and reiterated that I had no other way. "We will therefore have to find a new consultant who respects our timing", they said.

                                        My response: "Okay. Our agreement expired on 31st December. I was waiting for a renewal, but it never arrived. Meaning, I have no legal obligations toward you. You have the data, the passwords, everything. Have a great day.".

                                        The manager, annoyed and failing to understand the implications, replied: "Fine, we’ll look for someone younger with fewer family ties to manage.".

                                        This morning, the phone rang. It was the manager, asking me to reconsider. His tone remained contemptuous, so I told him my decision was final. Two minutes later, I got a call from their biggest client - the one responsible for over 50% of their revenue. They had been notified I was leaving and informed the company they would also leave if I was no longer the one supervising their machines.

                                        I called the manager back, friendly, trying to see if they were willing to change their attitude - to move from peremptory orders to requests between human beings. He started talking about "suing for damages" if they lost their main client because of me (to be clear: I am not taking that client for myself).

                                        I don’t know how this story will evolve, but right now, I'm just enjoying a breath of fresh air outside my window.

                                        #IT #FreelanceLife #WorkLifeBalance #ToxicManagement #TechLife #Consulting #SelfEmployed

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                                        @stefano

                                        Well done, sir. Very well done.

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                                        • Stefano MarinelliS Stefano Marinelli

                                          @iredave I don't think I want to work with them anymore. Unless they'll hire a new manager.

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                                          @stefano fair enough, I prefer to charge an AH tax and have an agreed SLA. AH tax could be 5 to 10x my usual rate. 99% of the time I get told no thanks but that's the outcome I really want.

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