I’m not standing with either side here. This is going to be a case study in how not ever being able to reach a compromise completely destroys the public’s confidence in an institution. I just watched a rather large institution say behind closed doors today, that they’ll never have confidence in CP and it’s very soon going to be codified in their policy that it’s never used for any corporate purposes in the future. I’m also on a board that has already reached that conclusion with the uncertainty earlier this year, and now has a resolution out to their membership at their AGM to only electronically send notice for funds collections in the future, as CP can no longer be counted on.

CP is legitimately fucked, in more ways than one, and will never exist in the way it did yesterday morning, no matter what happens here. This is the nightmare scenario, and both the executive and the union only have themselves to thank for it. Their membership should be mad as hell, because not very many of them are going to have the jobs they once did. As a tax paying Canadian, I’m pretty mad at the executive too, how they can burn that much cash is mind boggling. Pretty f’n broken. You can curse me and throw all the hate that you want at me for this viewpoint, but it’s the stone cold truth.

So ban themselves too? Might want to lookup who is the majority shareholder of purolator…

Let’s not make an untenable situation even worse. Also government intervention in the marketplace never ends well, and it’s time to face the facts. Mail as it was, is no longer viable. That’s going to suck for a lot of people, and I mean that sucks for sure, I’m not a heartless bastard. But, it pretty clearly isn’t functional.

I think the angle people aren’t looking at more is the financial side of things and actually calculating it out. [https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/financial-and-sustainability-reports/2024-annual-report/our-financial-picture.page](Canada Post’s Financials - See the first chart yourselves)

So it seems like 2018 they invested a little and the loss reduced. COVID happened so the big loss there isn’t surprising. However, in between the reduced service, someone ate their lunch or their upper management / c-suite / board no longer has the qualifications to lead it’s own team. Change the management already.

The monetary part of how much this subscription to Canada Post is going to be…: 841 million/41 million (current Canadian population) ~= $20.51 cents (rough math of ~$52.56 dollars per household based on 16 million addresses in Canada Post’s system) Canadian to have delivery/mailbox/post offices/parcel pickups. Now go compare the rates that Canada Post offers versus FedDex, DHL etc. Ask yourself, would you still use Canada Post?

So yeah, let’s all be outraged about $52.56 dollars for this service.

Crown corporations hold monopolies in Canada all the time. Canada Post is only losing money, because it’s only delivering mail. Instead of that service including packages, the Canadian government allowed them to outsource those services to private contractors. That’s when they started losing money. Privatization is how all good services eventually die. They need to take that back, and start providing more than just mail delivery, if they’re going to stay solvent.

Expanding Canada Post has been a disaster every time it’s been tried. They are always too slow to respond, and it’s always been just an endless suck of funds. I’m thinking about their stores concepts, the Facebook wanna be marketplace. There’s been a lot of turds over the years. Big old confused and bloated crown corp, like we’ve all seen this one.

Is it mismanaged, for sure it has been. I agree on the precipice that privatization usually sucks, that’s not what I’m really arguing for. But when we say if they are going to be solvent, they need to do more than mail delivery, like right there that’s the gist. Mail delivery isn’t ever going to be a solvent endeavor. So now the question is, OK so where’s the fine line here then, like what’s enough and how much are we willing to burn, what’s not enough and what is too much cash spent? Canada Postal Workers Union though, just drew a line in the sand so hard that I’m not sure how they envision coming out of this one on top, like the institution is belly up for all intents and purposes. On the flip side, the executives obviously fucked this one up pretty hard too.

I dunno, it’s a real son of a situation, that’s for sure. One that isn’t likely going to end well for either side, no matter what falls out here.

I don’t want to use anything else but a government service to deliver passports and bank cards.

Why should Canada Post be “solvent”? It’s mandated to serve every Canadian address. Have you considered what that means? It means it has to send mail to the furthest reaches of Grise Fiord (look for it on Google Maps). A business would never deliver there, and they don’t because it’s not profitable. A non-discriminatory mail service is not a profit business, it’s a public service of the government. Firehalls ans library systems have budgets, but no one expects them to be solvent because they’re services supported by public funds (taxes), not businesses.

Make Canada post a military division? Heh

Not only that but all the big businesses are willing to run operations at a loss when it is expedient to their goals.

Are you an idiot? Canada has no unlimited money . Canada will keep increasing the military defense while reducing the quality of all the services

In Ontario we’ve had a proliferation of for profit career colleges. The student visa is used to get into Canada, granted by one of the for profit degree mills. But in reality they are schemes by people looking to work in Canada, that couldn’t get a proper work visa.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/20000-indian-students-didnt-show-in-class-after-arriving-in-canada-what-happened-to-them

…or at the very minimum crack down on the ‘independent contractor’ nonsense. Make Amazon pay for UI, vacation, healthcare, car insurance, for all its delivery drivers. Our politicians allow too many scams, and it hurts everyone.

…you can’t compete with Amazon using ‘independent contractors’ that drive their own cars, work until 10pm, 7 days a week, with no benefits.

Federal government is spending 13 billion on a VW battery plant in St Thomas, Ontario

That’s 13 billion dollars / 41.million Canadians = $317 per Canadian

This is projected to employ 3000 people. Canada Post employs 62,300 people.

Canada post employs 21 X as many people as the VW plant hopes too.

CP could lose 1 billion a year for 273 years before it would cost the Canadian tax payer as much per job as the VW plant workers do. And that is if the VW plant stays on target and doesn’t end up like North Volt

I don’t know what the path forward for Canada Post is but the government narrative is whack. If the government is trying to save money why are they spending so much for 3000 jobs and celebrating that as a huge win?

It seems like they don’t value workers or Canadians just corporate profits at the Canadian tax payers expense.

We should expect more from our government.

Will banning amazon improve post canada services?

Here’s the thing, right now for my 2-3 days of mail delivery per week, the postal service employee walks by my house every day.
The flyers that get dropped off on non mail days could just as easily be dropped off on the other 2-3 days instead.
This means that effectively for every piece of mail delivered to my house the 40-60% of the ‘last mile’ part of the postage costs are wasted on extra unneeded trips to/past my door.
For normal mail delivery we already have 5-10 day delivery timeframes. Anyone who accepts that variability doesn’t need daily delivery, and those that do need that clockwork delivery are using services like UPS or FedEx.

Making Amazon pay its workers would greatly level the playing field so Canada Post can compete again.

They don’t need to turn a profit but the costs need to be financially sustainable. I don’t think banning competition is a good move, that’s unnecessary. The question should be posed to Canadians at large: what is CP’s services worth to us, as a nation? Lemmy’s views will certainly be skewed but we need an honest holistic view. Based on godoflies@lemmy.ca calculation in this thread I’m cool with the $50 a year ‘fee’, but that will certainly grow with their losses and they do need capital investment to improve/modernize aspects of the service.

I disagree they need to compete at all. They provide essential services that aren’t replaceable by private services.

The government is trying to make the service worse for people by seeking profitability of the service over it’s quality