As I wrote in my original post, some people just have a narcissistic need for self-promotion. They will preach to the choir and bring irrelevant political topics into the game because they feel like the real world doesn’t appreciate their valiant efforts towards weaponized inclusivity enough.

I don’t want North-American politics in my gaming.

I mean the statement is being made within the universe. Super Mario does advocate for violence against koopas. You don’t have to examine it, but that doesn’t make it apolitical.

All I want is more nice unpolitical games like Bioshock or Wolfenstein

And not the woke nonsense of having female or PoC main characters.

Sounds like you’re either not picking up on the fact that your world isn’t actually supportive of gay rights (because of subconscious prejudice or something) or you’re bad at communicating that it is, or both.

“Weaponized inclusivity” jesus christ so its clearly the former

“Narcissistic urge for self-promotion” insane statement. Check your prejudice.

When everyone around you seems like a dipshit, you’re probably the dipshit.

The point is that there are politics in your game, like it or not. Whether you make them a central focus is another story entirely.

I hate normal sized tits!

/s Just in case

Your language choices give a phobic vibe, just FYI. “[…] they feel like the real world doesn’t appreciate their valiant efforts towards weaponized inclusivity enough.” Like you know they’re suffering actual IRL oppression, right? Stuff like that could be giving LGBT players the impression that you’re hostile towards them.

Oh, quite the opposite. Most people around me are awesome. And I’ve gotten pretty good at sorting out the few who aren’t. In fact, after deleting Reddit, pretty much my entire dipshit intake stems from Lemmy. I sometimes really do wonder what I’m still doing here. Because clearly, this entire community has some serious issues to work through.

My language choice is not phobic, it’s aggressive, because I’m once again realizing, why half of this sub is permanently looking for groups.

I can assure you, that there is no inclusivity issue in any of my worlds. But it’s also not anything I pay any mind to at all unless my players are looking for connections or love interests. Other than that I try to avoid heteronormativity for the very few occasions NPCs are actually in a relationship that matters to the game and that’s it.

And as I commented before, if you want a world and story FOCUSED on inclusivity and LQBTQ issues, then I’m sure there are countless DMs who will be happy to provide that. Because I am not. My games focus on adventuring, nature and mystic, long forgotten places and that’s exactly how I and my players like it!

yep they exist. but I don’t need to solely focus on them. and this entire thread seems to be people saying that fact over and over again. (as you just did as well)

is there some kind of meme I missed or something? I’m confused as to why there’s so much hostility in the comments.

you choose to lead a gay rights movement while the world is being overrun by the demon king’s hordes.

This maps kind of easily onto “We can’t fight for gay rights right now. They just blew up the twin towers!” or similar “wait your turn for justice” arguments.

I get the impression that you don’t see that kind of thing, and furthermore don’t care. You run whatever kind of game you want, but I would be surprised if your settings weren’t full of unexamined biases and defaults.

Feminism ruined video games means i cant play a video game without thinking about it from a feminist point of view lol

Lol, nice strawman you built there. There’s no need to “wait your turn for justice”. Just get yourself a group who enjoys that kind of campaign and you’re good to go! This isn’t a “We can’t fight for gay rights right now. They just blew up the twin towers” scenario.

In fact, you’re arguing exactly like the people on the opposite side: “How dare you care about gay rights. We need thoughts and prayers for the 9/11 victims right now and everyone who doesn’t focus entirely on thoughts and prayers is a terrorist supporter!” That’s your argument right there!

Nah some people genuinely just want an escape from the world. Politics is a shit show right now and is always in our faces while many of us feel helpless.

I dunno man, you’re the one that said the players can’t talk focus on gay rights now. there’s a demon invasion. Which, again, maps pretty cleanly to that kind of attitude. But I think you might be the kind of person who doesn’t understand subtext, or maybe text.

Turns out that competently educated adults hate it when politics are crammed into a story in a way that would make their children roll their eyes.

If you’re an adult and find that kind of story telling compelling… well. Read a book or two perhaps before playing more games. Doesn’t have to be Dostojevsky, there are plenty of perfectly fine, easy to read books in the scifi and fantasy genres.

Politics in gaming is awesome, ham fisted writing and design wrapped up in an opinion lecturing the player so it breaks the universe ruleset is crap and does more damage to what ever message you were trying to push.

Sadly a lot of socially important messages are pushed as a selling point by people who don’t really have the background to fully create a bridge that speaks to People.

This is the same for a lot of creative work our artists are increasingly coming from privileged and protected backgrounds that we’re losing the depth and edge of the art. Indie games as usual are the standard games like Star dew address so much about humanity in a beautiful way.

I play crusader kings for the plot not the politics

I love politics in gaming, I loved Fallout 3, NV,4 (I still enjoyed it but to a lesser extent), Cyberpunk, and Outer Worlds 1/2. I love it when a game has multiple factions, I love when you get to really understand the politics of a fictional world, and I love stories involving politics.