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Mark Carney calls for a 'Zionist' Palestine (yeah, he actually did)

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  • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

    Do you believe in a two state solution?

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    wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
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    #10

    I don’t. It is and always has been a stalling tactic for the purpose of ethnic cleansing. The only viable solution always has a been a one state solution of equal rights for all.

    Now if the Palestinians want to accept a two state solution out of desperation, sure I can live with that. Coming from anyone else? Get absolutely the fuck out of here. No ethno states, period. And Israel must abide by international law and allow the right to return of refugees.

    It is absolutely insane for Carney to suggest a Zionist Palestine.

    Why the two state solution is impossible.

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    • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

      Yes. I believe peace can prevail if the rest of the world stops fucking around.

      Which is why Palestinians need to accept that Israel has a right to exist within the 1967 borders. Israel also needs to accept the fact that Palestine has a right to exist within the borders determined in 1967.

      Not all the land is Palestinian land, and that is a matter of fact. Israelis, especially those indigenous to the area, have a right to exist there. Just like Palestinians have a right to exist there.

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      rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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      Most of the Palestinians accept Israel existence and agree with the pre 67 border it is Israel who refuse to accept it and keep building illegal settlements making a two state solution hard to accomplish , every single Israeli prime minister has oppressed Palestinians and believe the land was their either for religious or ethnic supremacy reasons.

      Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression or a one state solution with equal rights to everybody would be accepted

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      • K kaboom@reddthat.com

        It kinda does. They have an older claim than the Muslims.

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        rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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        This is so ridiculous . There was people before Israelites and after them in the land why do you think the jews has the eternal right over all other who lived in the land . You can’t even proof that the Zionists who are foreigners had any connection to the old Israelites. While we know from history that during the Arab conquest of the area there was no major ethnic cleansing so basically part of the Palestinians was jews and Christian converted to Islam and other are the product of intermarriage . 50k of the ethnically cleansing Palestinians in 48 was Christians so stop with your bad intention of making it about Muslims vs jews

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          Sunshine (she/her)
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          We need to stand against genocidal wankers!

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          • W wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works

            I don’t. It is and always has been a stalling tactic for the purpose of ethnic cleansing. The only viable solution always has a been a one state solution of equal rights for all.

            Now if the Palestinians want to accept a two state solution out of desperation, sure I can live with that. Coming from anyone else? Get absolutely the fuck out of here. No ethno states, period. And Israel must abide by international law and allow the right to return of refugees.

            It is absolutely insane for Carney to suggest a Zionist Palestine.

            Why the two state solution is impossible.

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            arkouda@lemmy.ca
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            #14

            Why you needed to edit this 3 times in a couple of minutes I will never know. Likely hoping to get an out of context response I assume so I won’t bother actually responding to your genocidal rhetoric about a 1 state solution, or continue this conversation further as I see you as a major part of the problem and do not have the energy to deal with you.

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            • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

              Until the majority of Palestinians accept that Israel has a right to exist alongside a Palestinian state, there won’t be lasting peace between the two. An incredibly poor choice of words, but the point is clear to those willing to listen.

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              maam@feddit.uk
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              #15

              Victimblaming nicely folded into this comment.

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              • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                Why you needed to edit this 3 times in a couple of minutes I will never know. Likely hoping to get an out of context response I assume so I won’t bother actually responding to your genocidal rhetoric about a 1 state solution, or continue this conversation further as I see you as a major part of the problem and do not have the energy to deal with you.

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                wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
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                Fine here I reposted it as a single post.

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                • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                  Do you believe in a two state solution?

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                  wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #17

                  I don’t. It is and always has been a stalling tactic for the purpose of ethnic cleansing. The only viable solution always has a been a one state solution of equal rights for all.

                  Now if the Palestinians want to accept a two state solution out of desperation, sure I can live with that. Coming from anyone else? Get absolutely the fuck out of here. No ethno states, period. And Israel must abide by international law and allow the right to return of refugees.

                  It is absolutely insane for Carney to suggest a Zionist Palestine.

                  Why the two state solution is impossible.

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                  • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                    Why you needed to edit this 3 times in a couple of minutes I will never know. Likely hoping to get an out of context response I assume so I won’t bother actually responding to your genocidal rhetoric about a 1 state solution, or continue this conversation further as I see you as a major part of the problem and do not have the energy to deal with you.

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                    wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
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                    #18

                    Please tell this jew how a one state, of equal rights, solution is genocidal. Go on.

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                    • R rumimevlevi@lemmings.world

                      Most of the Palestinians accept Israel existence and agree with the pre 67 border it is Israel who refuse to accept it and keep building illegal settlements making a two state solution hard to accomplish , every single Israeli prime minister has oppressed Palestinians and believe the land was their either for religious or ethnic supremacy reasons.

                      Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression or a one state solution with equal rights to everybody would be accepted

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                      arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                      Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression or a one state solution with equal rights to everybody would be accepted

                      You need to learn to recognize someone who agrees with you before arguing with them in the future. We know what needs to happen on the Israeli side for peace, my point is there is another side that has problems that need solving as well and that Palestinians are responsible for their side.

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                      • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                        Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression or a one state solution with equal rights to everybody would be accepted

                        You need to learn to recognize someone who agrees with you before arguing with them in the future. We know what needs to happen on the Israeli side for peace, my point is there is another side that has problems that need solving as well and that Palestinians are responsible for their side.

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                        rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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                        We do not agree. You make look like both side don’t want peace. I think it is israel who don’t want it because they still believe in jewish supermacy

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                        • M maam@feddit.uk

                          Victimblaming nicely folded into this comment.

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                          arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                          #21

                          There are people responsible on both sides. I will not argue with you about that fact.

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                          • W wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works

                            I don’t. It is and always has been a stalling tactic for the purpose of ethnic cleansing. The only viable solution always has a been a one state solution of equal rights for all.

                            Now if the Palestinians want to accept a two state solution out of desperation, sure I can live with that. Coming from anyone else? Get absolutely the fuck out of here. No ethno states, period. And Israel must abide by international law and allow the right to return of refugees.

                            It is absolutely insane for Carney to suggest a Zionist Palestine.

                            Why the two state solution is impossible.

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                            arkouda@lemmy.ca
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #22

                            Why you needed to edit this 3 times in a couple of minutes, and then repost it after I responded, I can only assume you actually were hoping to get an out of context response, so I still won’t bother responding to your genocidal rhetoric about a 1 state solution, or continue this conversation further as I see you as a major part of the problem and do not have the energy to deal with you.

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                            • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                              Why you needed to edit this 3 times in a couple of minutes I will never know. Likely hoping to get an out of context response I assume so I won’t bother actually responding to your genocidal rhetoric about a 1 state solution, or continue this conversation further as I see you as a major part of the problem and do not have the energy to deal with you.

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                              rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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                              The one state solution is the best solution. The hell are you talking about. A two state solution would mean 2 millions Palestinians will be kicked out of Israel and 700k settlers will be removed from the west bank. A one state solution will give equal rights to both Israelis and Palestinians what genocidal about it?

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                              • K kaboom@reddthat.com

                                It kinda does. They have an older claim than the Muslims.

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                                Omega
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                                Give back Anatolia to Brittany!

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                                • R rumimevlevi@lemmings.world

                                  We do not agree. You make look like both side don’t want peace. I think it is israel who don’t want it because they still believe in jewish supermacy

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                                  arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                                  I absolutely agree, Israel is very much doing incredibly unjust, disgusting, and unimaginable things right now but that doesn’t change the situation on the other side or what they have done.

                                  Why hasn’t Hama’s surrendered and returned the remaining hostages and bodies if peace is their goal?

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                                  • R rumimevlevi@lemmings.world

                                    The one state solution is the best solution. The hell are you talking about. A two state solution would mean 2 millions Palestinians will be kicked out of Israel and 700k settlers will be removed from the west bank. A one state solution will give equal rights to both Israelis and Palestinians what genocidal about it?

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                                    arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                                    That is not at all what a two state solution should look like.

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                                    • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                                      I absolutely agree, Israel is very much doing incredibly unjust, disgusting, and unimaginable things right now but that doesn’t change the situation on the other side or what they have done.

                                      Why hasn’t Hama’s surrendered and returned the remaining hostages and bodies if peace is their goal?

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                                      rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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                                      Hamas hasn’t surrendered and didn’t return the hostages because Israel will continue the genocide and occupation, Satanyaho admitted it . Hamas say they will drop arms when Gaza and west bank and east Jerusalem are no longer occupied.

                                      How about liberating Palestinians then bring both sides war criminals to justice?

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                                      • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                                        I absolutely agree, Israel is very much doing incredibly unjust, disgusting, and unimaginable things right now but that doesn’t change the situation on the other side or what they have done.

                                        Why hasn’t Hama’s surrendered and returned the remaining hostages and bodies if peace is their goal?

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                                        maam@feddit.uk
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                                        Israel murdered 57k (2.7%) Palestinians in a population of 2.1m and decimated their homes with missiles all over the country.

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                                        • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                                          That is not at all what a two state solution should look like.

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                                          rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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                                          #29

                                          Tell me how it would look like

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