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Mark Carney calls for a 'Zionist' Palestine (yeah, he actually did)

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  • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

    Why you needed to edit this 3 times in a couple of minutes I will never know. Likely hoping to get an out of context response I assume so I won’t bother actually responding to your genocidal rhetoric about a 1 state solution, or continue this conversation further as I see you as a major part of the problem and do not have the energy to deal with you.

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    wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
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    Fine here I reposted it as a single post.

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    • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

      Do you believe in a two state solution?

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      wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
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      I don’t. It is and always has been a stalling tactic for the purpose of ethnic cleansing. The only viable solution always has a been a one state solution of equal rights for all.

      Now if the Palestinians want to accept a two state solution out of desperation, sure I can live with that. Coming from anyone else? Get absolutely the fuck out of here. No ethno states, period. And Israel must abide by international law and allow the right to return of refugees.

      It is absolutely insane for Carney to suggest a Zionist Palestine.

      Why the two state solution is impossible.

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      • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

        Why you needed to edit this 3 times in a couple of minutes I will never know. Likely hoping to get an out of context response I assume so I won’t bother actually responding to your genocidal rhetoric about a 1 state solution, or continue this conversation further as I see you as a major part of the problem and do not have the energy to deal with you.

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        wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
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        Please tell this jew how a one state, of equal rights, solution is genocidal. Go on.

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        • R rumimevlevi@lemmings.world

          Most of the Palestinians accept Israel existence and agree with the pre 67 border it is Israel who refuse to accept it and keep building illegal settlements making a two state solution hard to accomplish , every single Israeli prime minister has oppressed Palestinians and believe the land was their either for religious or ethnic supremacy reasons.

          Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression or a one state solution with equal rights to everybody would be accepted

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          arkouda@lemmy.ca
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          Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression or a one state solution with equal rights to everybody would be accepted

          You need to learn to recognize someone who agrees with you before arguing with them in the future. We know what needs to happen on the Israeli side for peace, my point is there is another side that has problems that need solving as well and that Palestinians are responsible for their side.

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          • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

            Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression or a one state solution with equal rights to everybody would be accepted

            You need to learn to recognize someone who agrees with you before arguing with them in the future. We know what needs to happen on the Israeli side for peace, my point is there is another side that has problems that need solving as well and that Palestinians are responsible for their side.

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            rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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            We do not agree. You make look like both side don’t want peace. I think it is israel who don’t want it because they still believe in jewish supermacy

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            • M maam@feddit.uk

              Victimblaming nicely folded into this comment.

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              arkouda@lemmy.ca
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              #21

              There are people responsible on both sides. I will not argue with you about that fact.

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              • W wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works

                I don’t. It is and always has been a stalling tactic for the purpose of ethnic cleansing. The only viable solution always has a been a one state solution of equal rights for all.

                Now if the Palestinians want to accept a two state solution out of desperation, sure I can live with that. Coming from anyone else? Get absolutely the fuck out of here. No ethno states, period. And Israel must abide by international law and allow the right to return of refugees.

                It is absolutely insane for Carney to suggest a Zionist Palestine.

                Why the two state solution is impossible.

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                arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                #22

                Why you needed to edit this 3 times in a couple of minutes, and then repost it after I responded, I can only assume you actually were hoping to get an out of context response, so I still won’t bother responding to your genocidal rhetoric about a 1 state solution, or continue this conversation further as I see you as a major part of the problem and do not have the energy to deal with you.

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                • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                  Why you needed to edit this 3 times in a couple of minutes I will never know. Likely hoping to get an out of context response I assume so I won’t bother actually responding to your genocidal rhetoric about a 1 state solution, or continue this conversation further as I see you as a major part of the problem and do not have the energy to deal with you.

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                  rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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                  The one state solution is the best solution. The hell are you talking about. A two state solution would mean 2 millions Palestinians will be kicked out of Israel and 700k settlers will be removed from the west bank. A one state solution will give equal rights to both Israelis and Palestinians what genocidal about it?

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                  • K kaboom@reddthat.com

                    It kinda does. They have an older claim than the Muslims.

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                    Omega
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                    Give back Anatolia to Brittany!

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                    • R rumimevlevi@lemmings.world

                      We do not agree. You make look like both side don’t want peace. I think it is israel who don’t want it because they still believe in jewish supermacy

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                      arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                      I absolutely agree, Israel is very much doing incredibly unjust, disgusting, and unimaginable things right now but that doesn’t change the situation on the other side or what they have done.

                      Why hasn’t Hama’s surrendered and returned the remaining hostages and bodies if peace is their goal?

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                      • R rumimevlevi@lemmings.world

                        The one state solution is the best solution. The hell are you talking about. A two state solution would mean 2 millions Palestinians will be kicked out of Israel and 700k settlers will be removed from the west bank. A one state solution will give equal rights to both Israelis and Palestinians what genocidal about it?

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                        arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                        That is not at all what a two state solution should look like.

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                        • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                          I absolutely agree, Israel is very much doing incredibly unjust, disgusting, and unimaginable things right now but that doesn’t change the situation on the other side or what they have done.

                          Why hasn’t Hama’s surrendered and returned the remaining hostages and bodies if peace is their goal?

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                          rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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                          Hamas hasn’t surrendered and didn’t return the hostages because Israel will continue the genocide and occupation, Satanyaho admitted it . Hamas say they will drop arms when Gaza and west bank and east Jerusalem are no longer occupied.

                          How about liberating Palestinians then bring both sides war criminals to justice?

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                          • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                            I absolutely agree, Israel is very much doing incredibly unjust, disgusting, and unimaginable things right now but that doesn’t change the situation on the other side or what they have done.

                            Why hasn’t Hama’s surrendered and returned the remaining hostages and bodies if peace is their goal?

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                            maam@feddit.uk
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                            Israel murdered 57k (2.7%) Palestinians in a population of 2.1m and decimated their homes with missiles all over the country.

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                            • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                              That is not at all what a two state solution should look like.

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                              rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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                              Tell me how it would look like

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                              • R rumimevlevi@lemmings.world

                                Hamas hasn’t surrendered and didn’t return the hostages because Israel will continue the genocide and occupation, Satanyaho admitted it . Hamas say they will drop arms when Gaza and west bank and east Jerusalem are no longer occupied.

                                How about liberating Palestinians then bring both sides war criminals to justice?

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                                arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                                #30

                                You do understand that Palestinians are being oppressed by Hamas right? They have moved the goal post so many times themself it is clear they also don’t want peace. Especially considering their goal is to ethnically cleanse Israel.

                                Which is my damn point. Both sides need to stop because innocent civilians are dying daily, and the rest of the world needs to stop fucking around and disarm both parties to intervene for real.

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                                • M maam@feddit.uk

                                  Israel murdered 57k (2.7%) Palestinians in a population of 2.1m and decimated their homes with missiles all over the country.

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                                  arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                                  Sounds like a good reason to surrender.

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                                  • R rumimevlevi@lemmings.world

                                    Tell me how it would look like

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                                    arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                                    #32

                                    Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression

                                    I would also include right to return for Israelis who wish to return to their home lands they were ethnically cleansed from under the condition they abide by the laws there as well.

                                    But you are just here to argue, so again, you don’t see the middle ground.

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                                    • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                                      You do understand that Palestinians are being oppressed by Hamas right? They have moved the goal post so many times themself it is clear they also don’t want peace. Especially considering their goal is to ethnically cleanse Israel.

                                      Which is my damn point. Both sides need to stop because innocent civilians are dying daily, and the rest of the world needs to stop fucking around and disarm both parties to intervene for real.

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                                      rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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                                      While Hamas is oppressing the Palestinians who oppose it’s rule it is not the one who killed at least 50k of them. They the one who is currently attacking the occupation force.

                                      Hamas can’t destroy Israel even if they want to and with a Palestinians state with it’s own army it could exterminate Hamas if it refuse to drop arms.

                                      You won’t stop the oppressed retaliating with the most atrocious actions if the occupation don’t end first. This is basic logic. Would you have said both slaves and slaves owners need to stop violence in the same time after Nate Turner revolt where he killed some kids or you would simply has say slavery should be abolish first?

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                                      • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                                        Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression

                                        I would also include right to return for Israelis who wish to return to their home lands they were ethnically cleansed from under the condition they abide by the laws there as well.

                                        But you are just here to argue, so again, you don’t see the middle ground.

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                                        rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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                                        If you mean jews returning to Arab countries they where kicked out in response of Zionists doing the Nekba then yes i would support that

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                                        • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                                          Why you needed to edit this 3 times in a couple of minutes, and then repost it after I responded, I can only assume you actually were hoping to get an out of context response, so I still won’t bother responding to your genocidal rhetoric about a 1 state solution, or continue this conversation further as I see you as a major part of the problem and do not have the energy to deal with you.

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                                          wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
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                                          #35

                                          I still won’t bother responding to your genocidal rhetoric

                                          Get lost hasbara. Israel has no legal right to exist.

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