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I think one of the biggest changes in how I communicate online came after moving to Fedi.

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  • ArtemisA Artemis

    We should never stop trying to make Fedi better & safer. It's not perfect. As usual, marginalized people have the worst experience.

    So this is not to say "yay! We did it! It's perfect & never needs to change."

    But the spaces that we build for ourselves can be so much better than what private enterprise has to offer. We can have fucking *conversations* here.

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    @artemis I've seen more people genuinely apologise for a misunderstanding on here and then make up and move on than I have in all my time on algorithmic social media put together, where the incentive is to instead dunk on each other in an ever escalating argument for the clicks of spectators

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    • ArtemisA Artemis

      We should never stop trying to make Fedi better & safer. It's not perfect. As usual, marginalized people have the worst experience.

      So this is not to say "yay! We did it! It's perfect & never needs to change."

      But the spaces that we build for ourselves can be so much better than what private enterprise has to offer. We can have fucking *conversations* here.

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      And frankly, it's been slow, but I have seen a lot of people—including instance admins—responding to the suggestions & critiques of marginalized people.

      It's not everyone & it's not enough, but it does fucking happen here. The hard conversations happen & at least *some* people try to make this better.

      One thing I love about Fedi is that it *can become better.*

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      • BenAvelingB BenAveling

        It’s also the difference between conscious boosting (someone must think a thing is worth boosting) and algorithmic boosting (all engagement is considered good)
        @artemis @dalias

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        And to add to that, not just ‘someone’, but someone you have chosen to trust with your follow. @artemis @dalias

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        • bytebroB bytebro

          @artemis

          Fedi is 'a process' rather than just 'a place'. It is always changing, and as long as it continues to change for the better, I'm in.

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          @bytebro @artemis wow. I never thought of it like that. That's a really good way to view Fedi. It's almost like how the internet is not a place but a series of protocols.

          We can improve it.

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          • ArtemisA Artemis

            And frankly, it's been slow, but I have seen a lot of people—including instance admins—responding to the suggestions & critiques of marginalized people.

            It's not everyone & it's not enough, but it does fucking happen here. The hard conversations happen & at least *some* people try to make this better.

            One thing I love about Fedi is that it *can become better.*

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            Also, if you are having a lot of interactions with people acting in bad faith or harassing you, it is worth considering moving to an instance with stricter moderation or that blocks or restricts more problem instances.

            Dicecamp has been great for me, but there are plenty of great ones out there.

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            • JulesA Jules

              @artemis I've seen more people genuinely apologise for a misunderstanding on here and then make up and move on than I have in all my time on algorithmic social media put together, where the incentive is to instead dunk on each other in an ever escalating argument for the clicks of spectators

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              @afewbugs @artemis

              Heck, the fact that people even talk on here instead of yelling over each other... Like me here replying to you and agreeing with you how much the algo's just make things worse for everyone.

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              • ArtemisA Artemis

                Also, if you are having a lot of interactions with people acting in bad faith or harassing you, it is worth considering moving to an instance with stricter moderation or that blocks or restricts more problem instances.

                Dicecamp has been great for me, but there are plenty of great ones out there.

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                I especially recommend this if you're on mastodon social. I'm really glad you signed up & joined Fedi, but you may be able to find an even better corner to call your own (but do what you want—the point is it's your choice).

                "Just move instances" is not a solution to systemic problems, but if you think you could personally have a better experience, it's a thing you can try.

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                • ArtemisA Artemis

                  I especially recommend this if you're on mastodon social. I'm really glad you signed up & joined Fedi, but you may be able to find an even better corner to call your own (but do what you want—the point is it's your choice).

                  "Just move instances" is not a solution to systemic problems, but if you think you could personally have a better experience, it's a thing you can try.

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                  @artemis i agree, mastodon.social is too big, they attract too many trolls.

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                  • ArtemisA Artemis

                    And frankly, it's been slow, but I have seen a lot of people—including instance admins—responding to the suggestions & critiques of marginalized people.

                    It's not everyone & it's not enough, but it does fucking happen here. The hard conversations happen & at least *some* people try to make this better.

                    One thing I love about Fedi is that it *can become better.*

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                    @artemis not my anxious ass going "Is today the day I finally send a small note to a popular person on a popular-but-problematic instance that their instance is problematic and they should consider moving off it because it'll likely only get worse and has already responded badly to criticism... Or am I just seeking the dopamine from a chaotic low-stakes online interaction. Again."

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                    • epiloniousE epilonious

                      @artemis not my anxious ass going "Is today the day I finally send a small note to a popular person on a popular-but-problematic instance that their instance is problematic and they should consider moving off it because it'll likely only get worse and has already responded badly to criticism... Or am I just seeking the dopamine from a chaotic low-stakes online interaction. Again."

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                      @artemis (no it's not you/re instance)

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                      • JulesA Jules

                        @artemis I've seen more people genuinely apologise for a misunderstanding on here and then make up and move on than I have in all my time on algorithmic social media put together, where the incentive is to instead dunk on each other in an ever escalating argument for the clicks of spectators

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                        @afewbugs

                        Exactly. And the thing is, when you see other people responding in that way—asking for clarification instead of assuming the worst & apologizing when called out—it feels safer to do that yourself. I've become a lot better at just not responding with the first emotional thing that pops into my head & actually thinking "what would it look like to just talk to this person in a mutually respectful way?"

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                        • JulesA Jules

                          @artemis I've seen more people genuinely apologise for a misunderstanding on here and then make up and move on than I have in all my time on algorithmic social media put together, where the incentive is to instead dunk on each other in an ever escalating argument for the clicks of spectators

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                          @afewbugs @artemis I semi-frequently give random internet strangers here a “like” when I see them apologize or course-correct, just to let them know that a random internet stranger approves of their ability to apologize or recognize that there’s a misunderstanding and maybe they’re at fault or can do better.

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                            @afewbugs @artemis I semi-frequently give random internet strangers here a “like” when I see them apologize or course-correct, just to let them know that a random internet stranger approves of their ability to apologize or recognize that there’s a misunderstanding and maybe they’re at fault or can do better.

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                            @c0dec0dec0de @afewbugs
                            I've noticed that it's "popular" on here when people figure out their misunderstanding & apologize. Posts like that usually get a few faves. So yeah, I guess that's a small cultural thing that helps encourage that attitude.

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                            • ArtemisA Artemis

                              Also, if you are having a lot of interactions with people acting in bad faith or harassing you, it is worth considering moving to an instance with stricter moderation or that blocks or restricts more problem instances.

                              Dicecamp has been great for me, but there are plenty of great ones out there.

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                              @artemis I love dice camp, both for the moderation and the content focus.

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