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Epic CEO Tim Sweeney takes yet another victory lap after Apple's latest appeal fails: 'The long national nightmare of the Apple tax is ended'

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  • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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    Epic CEO Tim Sweeney takes yet another victory lap after Apple's latest appeal fails: 'The long national nightmare of the Apple tax is ended'

    Tim, you're gonna make Tim Cook retire early.

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    dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com
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    I’m so happy this other large company which wants to embed itself as a storefront and soak up fees won against the other large company which was already doing it.

    Like, genuinely I am, but Epic isn’t doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. Epic/Sweeney is mostly sad they didn’t have the monopoly first.

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      9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world
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      Okay now he should be able to afford developers to make all their games on Epic SteamDeck-compatible, right?

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      • 9 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world

        Okay now he should be able to afford developers to make all their games on Epic SteamDeck-compatible, right?

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        ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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        Steam takes just as big a cut as Apple

        But UE already supports Linux export and when Epic bought EAC the first thing they did was give it Linux support so they have already done what you asked

        Unless you’re talking about Fortnite

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        • I ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca

          Steam takes just as big a cut as Apple

          But UE already supports Linux export and when Epic bought EAC the first thing they did was give it Linux support so they have already done what you asked

          Unless you’re talking about Fortnite

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          ignirtoq
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          The size of the cut is what they use for the appeal to the public to build their social narrative, but legally/economically speaking it’s not really the problem. The problem is that Apple effectively forbids developers from having any other mechanism to transact with customers except through their marketplace where they take the 30% cut, hence the lawsuit being about monopolistic practices, not the amount they’re charging.

          Valve handles things completely differently. Sure, listing on the Steam store requires giving Valve a 30% cut of the purchase price, but Steam doesn’t demand a 30% cut of any and all transactions that happen within or related to the game like Apple does. You also don’t have to buy a game from the Steam store to load it and launch it from the Steam client. And Proton works with a lot more games and applications than just those on the Steam store.

          The fact that the two companies charge a similar price for a single relatively similar business case oversimplifies a lot of how the two companies operate.

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            I’m so happy this other large company which wants to embed itself as a storefront and soak up fees won against the other large company which was already doing it.

            Like, genuinely I am, but Epic isn’t doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. Epic/Sweeney is mostly sad they didn’t have the monopoly first.

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            Ulrich
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            Who cares? It’s a win for everyone.

            Biggest disappointment is that it took a rich twat to twist the government’s arm and do what should’ve done 10 years ago.

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            • I ignirtoq

              The size of the cut is what they use for the appeal to the public to build their social narrative, but legally/economically speaking it’s not really the problem. The problem is that Apple effectively forbids developers from having any other mechanism to transact with customers except through their marketplace where they take the 30% cut, hence the lawsuit being about monopolistic practices, not the amount they’re charging.

              Valve handles things completely differently. Sure, listing on the Steam store requires giving Valve a 30% cut of the purchase price, but Steam doesn’t demand a 30% cut of any and all transactions that happen within or related to the game like Apple does. You also don’t have to buy a game from the Steam store to load it and launch it from the Steam client. And Proton works with a lot more games and applications than just those on the Steam store.

              The fact that the two companies charge a similar price for a single relatively similar business case oversimplifies a lot of how the two companies operate.

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              ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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              Wine you mean

              Proton is mostly just Wine with the Steam Launcher

              But that has nothing to do with supporting Linux, it exists for people who don’t support Linux

              And the discussion was being able to afford supporting it so the cut very much matters

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              • I ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca

                Steam takes just as big a cut as Apple

                But UE already supports Linux export and when Epic bought EAC the first thing they did was give it Linux support so they have already done what you asked

                Unless you’re talking about Fortnite

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                Ulrich
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                I think they probably mean having a launcher that installs on Linux and games that don’t need tweaking to run on Linux. Like Steam does it.

                Unless you’re talking about Fortnite

                Another excellent point.

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                  sunzu2
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                  Tim apple got cucked by Weaponized autism 🐸

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                    I think they probably mean having a launcher that installs on Linux and games that don’t need tweaking to run on Linux. Like Steam does it.

                    Unless you’re talking about Fortnite

                    Another excellent point.

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                    ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                    Heroic already fills the first part

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                    • I ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca

                      Heroic already fills the first part

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                      Ulrich
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                      Heroic is not made by Epic. We’re talking about first class first-party support. And Heroic doesn’t work very well either.

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                      • UlrichU Ulrich

                        Heroic is not made by Epic. We’re talking about first class first-party support. And Heroic doesn’t work very well either.

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                        ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                        We don’t want first party support

                        Stores are stores

                        Launchers are launchers

                        Communities are communities

                        Software works when it is specialized and leaves open for others to build on

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                          Tim apple got cucked by Weaponized autism 🐸

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                          daggity@lemm.ee
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                          Weaponized autism? You mean obscene Fortnite money?

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                          • I ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca

                            We don’t want first party support

                            Stores are stores

                            Launchers are launchers

                            Communities are communities

                            Software works when it is specialized and leaves open for others to build on

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                            Ulrich
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                            “We” very much do. I have no interest in spending my days debugging broken software.

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                              “We” very much do. I have no interest in spending my days debugging broken software.

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                              ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                              Then you wouldn’t like steam on linux after various updates

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                                Then you wouldn’t like steam on linux after various updates

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                                Ulrich
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                                Steam on Linux works perfectly.

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                                • UlrichU Ulrich

                                  Steam on Linux works perfectly.

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                                  ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                                  What’s the cat in the hat line? You’re not just wrong, you’re stupid

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                                  Not every issue is on Valve but saying it’s perfect just shows you haven’t used it

                                  And you certainly didn’t use it back when the file dialogue couldn’t view outside the steam directory

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                                    What’s the cat in the hat line? You’re not just wrong, you’re stupid

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                                    Not every issue is on Valve but saying it’s perfect just shows you haven’t used it

                                    And you certainly didn’t use it back when the file dialogue couldn’t view outside the steam directory

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                                    Ulrich
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                                    Well that’s unnecessarily fucking rude.

                                    What I meant was, it works perfectly for me.

                                    And you certainly didn’t use it back when the file dialogue couldn’t view outside the steam directory

                                    …I don’t understand what that has to do with anything. I don’t play games in the past.

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                                    • UlrichU Ulrich

                                      Who cares? It’s a win for everyone.

                                      Biggest disappointment is that it took a rich twat to twist the government’s arm and do what should’ve done 10 years ago.

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                                      zorque@lemmy.world
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                                      Give Tim Sweeney lots of money? Why would the government do that?

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                                      • Z zorque@lemmy.world

                                        Give Tim Sweeney lots of money? Why would the government do that?

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                                        Ulrich
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                                        …why would anyone do that?

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                                        • UlrichU Ulrich

                                          …why would anyone do that?

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                                          zorque@lemmy.world
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                                          I mean, it’s what you’re celebrating.

                                          You can make some vague claims that it’s going to be good for small businesses and independent developers… but realistically it’s only going to pad the pockets of the already rich. Any benefit to anyone else is going to be negligible.

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